Virgil Hunter is Overrated

**VatoMulatto** · 03-04-2018, 02:04 PM

He's not overrated but he's a trainer not a magician.

**_original_** · 03-04-2018, 02:06 PM

Hunter is like that useless mechanic who has one great car that keeps buying old junky vehicles just to end up hoarding junkers at his shop.

**SugarRayCurtain** · 03-04-2018, 02:06 PM

I think his style of training is better with someone starting from scratch, since they are like a sponge and not set in their ways
Maybe he overcomplicates things when it comes to technique and fighters cant utilize it in a real fight, have no idea.

**TheCell8** · 03-04-2018, 02:07 PM

In general I would agree. But you can't use the Dirrell fight as the example. Not enough time to work together.

**BoxingFan85** · 03-04-2018, 02:07 PM

His relationship with Ward is special and Ward is a skilled fighter.. The results were there to see..

Amir khan, Berto don't have the same impact on them with Hunter in their corner..
Dirrell actually did better last fight than he did this time around with Hunter.. I don't know what advise he was giving him but I could hear him saying don't quit yet, fight one more round but Dirrell had given up already..

Very few coaches have that effect on fighters.. The great Emanuel Steward is one of the guys who made a lot of champs
Lennox, Wlad, Hearns, Stevenson... the list just goes on...

**Eff Pandas** · 03-04-2018, 02:20 PM

In general I think trainers are overrated. Thats not to say any a$$hole sitting in a gym with a towel around his neck can train you. But I think most guys who achieve big things were gonna achieve them, within a certain margin of error, with a lot of high level trainers.

I mean look at a guy like Mike Tyson. If he'd have had Cuz D'Amato & Kevin Rooney as his brain trust for longer he'd likely have reached a higher peak (imo anyway), but later after Cus passed & Rooney was dumped, Tyson with mfers who used a condom for an enswell was winning/defending world titles.

Specifically with this fight it seemed like neither Hunter OR Dirrell were fully into their particular tasks last night. It was a weird a$$ situation. Dirrell didn't seem to trust or listen to Hunter & Hunter wasn't even bothering to get in the ring past a certain round I don't think. To me it looked like Stitch called the fight, maybe cuz he knew the whole story before & during the fight as an observer, but I couldn't quite makeout the audio so idk that for sure. Either way this didn't seem like a fighter/trainer matchup that was "working" before this fight from how quick things went south in this fight.

**ShoulderRoll** · 03-04-2018, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Eff Pandas

I mean look at a guy like Mike Tyson. If he'd have had Cuz D'Amato & Kevin Rooney as his brain trust for longer he'd likely have reached a higher peak (imo anyway), but later after Cus passed & Rooney was dumped, Tyson with mfers who used a condom for an enswell was winning/defending world titles.

Tyson had success afterwards precisely BECAUSE of the foundation that Cus laid down.

Even though his skills slowly deteriorated more and more as time went by the fundamentals that were ingrained in him were enough to keep him winning for a while.

**HanzGruber** · 03-04-2018, 02:30 PM

Lol god given talent. Hate when people say this. Ward is as good as he is cause Virgil trained him since he was 10. If Joe Schmo was his trainer he most likely would not be a HOFer

You can’t expect someone who is a b or C fighter like berto and khan go to Virgil and become ward.

**kidbazooka** · 03-04-2018, 02:33 PM

I agree and I’ve been saying that for years, ward makes hunter look good not the other way around.

Hunter is also an extremely biased commentator he cheers on the black guy all the time.

Virgil Hunter is Overrated