Ortiz > Old Wlad > Pedvetkin let's get it straight.

**Sheldon312** · 03-04-2018, 01:47 PM

Disagree, the Vlad that fought AJ had better movement, Jab, and accuracy compared to the Ortiz Wilder fought.

**Robbie Barrett** · 03-04-2018, 01:48 PM

Are you trying to claim Ortiz isn't old?

Old Wlad was better than Old Ortiz.

**HeadShots** · 03-04-2018, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Sheldon312

Disagree, the Vlad that fought AJ had better movement, Jab, and accuracy compared to the Ortiz Wilder fought.

nope. Ortiz had way better movement than the stiff old Wlad with his 1-2's. Ortiz had not only better offensive combos, he showed way better defensive maneuvers.

not to mention he's more durable than the fragile wlad. especially at 41 without his holding tactics he got away with in germany.

**Cutthroat** · 03-04-2018, 01:50 PM

Ortiz would've handled Wlad and Vitali in the same night, can't forget a retired Sanders also put Vitali on bambi legs in round 1, Ortiz would've stopped him.

**Sheldon312** · 03-04-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by HeadShots

nope. Ortiz had way better movement than the stiff old Wlad with his 1-2's. Ortiz had not only better offensive combos, he showed way better defensive maneuvers.

not to mention he's more durable than the fragile wlad. especially at 41 without his holding tactics he got away with in germany.

That Vlad would've finished Ortiz in a similar fashion. Please, stop overrating Ortiz to prop up Wilder.

**Boksfan** · 03-04-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by HeadShots

Wlad couldn't do jack chit to Jennings and Ortiz blew him up. Ortiz is younger than the Wlad Joshua fought and he's more skilled. Ortiz has a better chin than Wlad with better defense. Ortiz has never been stopped or even dropped whereas bums have had less problems with a younger Wlad. knocking him down and out numerous times.

H2H Ortiz knocks Wlad out faster than Corie Sanders. Another tricky southpaw.

Ortiz is very underrated. He's the best win on any HW's resume right now.

Wilder > JOshua

****** logic but what do we expect from a nuthugger

**HeadShots** · 03-04-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Robbie Barrett

Are you trying to claim Ortiz isn't old?

Old Wlad was better than Old Ortiz.

Ortiz is younger than Wlad. fact.

Ortiz is more skilled than Wlad. fact. just look at their defense. Ortiz has actual head and upperbody movement along with his guard. Wlad just leans back because most of his life his opponents are shorter. his defense doesn't work with anyone with reach.

Ortiz would KTFO Wlad h2h. fact.

**HeadShots** · 03-04-2018, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Sheldon312

That Vlad would've finished Ortiz in a similar fashion. Please, stop overrating Ortiz to prop up Wilder.

are you sure about that?

Wlad and southpaw journeyman

**Robbie Barrett** · 03-04-2018, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by HeadShots

Ortiz is younger than Wlad. fact.

Ortiz is more skilled than Wlad. fact. just look at their defense. Ortiz has actual head and upperbody movement along with his guard. Wlad just leans back because most of his life his opponents are shorter. his defense doesn't work with anyone with reach.

Ortiz would KTFO Wlad h2h. fact.

Poor troll job. Ortiz has done nothing and just lost to one of the least skilled title holders in HW history.

Ortiz > Old Wlad > Pedvetkin let's get it straight.