Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: No Way Wilder Can Take My Punch; Will Pay for Mistakes

[Vinnykin]

Im saying a 6'4 235 /240 southpaw whos never lost rnds would be favorite over a guy with 3 questionable wins up too this point who is much better skilled all around and hits harder.

I completely dominated you on this topic before why go tere when i'll just bump that thread ?

Only in your own head, you're lying to yourself and everybody here saying that Ortiz is the same fighter he was, there is no argument, you can't prove he is because there is no footage of him fighting a good opponent and looking good in the last 2 years.... you're guessing at best, pure speculation with nothing to back it up but your own feeble imagination.

Show me the evidence that Ortiz is still good? we have 3 minutes of him looking slow and old against a bum from a few months ago, and nothing for a year before that, and he looked terrible against Scott.

[Vinnykin]

Im pretty sure you lost the Klitchko fight AFTER telling me how little i knew ....if thats not a win what is ?

Lost the Klitschko fight? what are you talking about?.... and Joshua was nearly stopped in that fight, it was 50/50.....

you were going on guess work there again as Joshua hadn't even proven his chin or stamina up to that point, I still think klitschko could have stopped him in that fight when Joshua couldn't even keep his hands up!

You can't claim you know it all when Joshua/Klitschko was life and death and could have easily went either way.....you just guessed he would win....well done! lol

[juggernaut666]

Lost the Klitschko fight? what are you talking about?.... and Joshua was nearly stopped in that fight, it was 50/50.....

you were going on guess work there again as Joshua hadn't even proven his chin or stamina up to that point, I still think klitschko could have stopped him in that fight when Joshua couldn't even keep his hands up!

You can't claim you know it all when Joshua/Klitschko was life and death and could have easily went either way.....you just guessed he would win....well done! lol

You said Klitchko was going to expose the overatted Joshua robot ....now take that L , and move on !

[Vinnykin]

stirverne beat arreola not once but twice. surely thats worthy of being ranked #2

Good point lol

[Deletrious]

Man you have a couple boring fights and suddenly you look awful? I guess Mayweather was garbage.

Serious question, has Ortiz lost a round of boxing in his last three fights?

[Vinnykin]

You said Klitchko was going to expose the overatted Joshua robot ....now take that L , and move on !

He did expose him! an old man put him on his arse and proved Joshua can't pace himself in a fight, he shot his load in the 5th, scored a KD and was actually on the BACK FOOT unable to defend himself properly by the end of the round..... that is exposed in my book, imagine he does that against an aggressive fighter....

I still think he should have pushed for the finish in the 6th, and I'd be the one sitting here claiming some kind of intellectual victory, you're lucky, nothing more.

[juggernaut666]

Only in your own head, you're lying to yourself and everybody here saying that Ortiz is the same fighter he was, there is no argument, you can't prove he is because there is no footage of him fighting a good opponent and looking good in the last 2 years.... you're guessing at best, pure speculation with nothing to back it up but your own feeble imagination.

Show me the evidence that Ortiz is still good? we have 3 minutes of him looking slow and old against a bum from a few months ago, and nothing for a year before that, and he looked terrible against Scott.

It doesnt matter what everyone says ,thats why this is a FORUM .


At the end of the day its OBVIOUS based on skills that Parker would lose to Ortiz . Ortiz defeated Jennings ,won EVERY rnd where Parker LOST many rnds to Jennings level opposition ,sooner or later you will need critical thinking skills here bc your going to need them here !

On the fights themselves ,Joshua is going to pummel Parker while Ortiz has an excellent chance against Wilder ? I'll even say he should defeat Wilder !

Anyone with common sense could see that it is Ortiz strengths that SHOULD exploit the Wilder holes .

[juggernaut666]

He did expose him! an old man put him on his arse and proved Joshua can't pace himself in a fight, he shot his load in the 5th, scored a KD and was actually on the BACK FOOT unable to defend himself properly by the end of the round..... that is exposed in my book, imagine he does that against an aggressive fighter....

I still think he should have pushed for the finish in the 6th, and I'd be the one sitting here claiming some kind of intellectual victory, you're lucky, nothing more.

18 fight Prospects CANT be exposed you fool ! How does someone still learning get labeled as exposed , more proof you dont know what your talking about !

[Vinnykin]

It doesnt matter what everyone says ,thats why this is a FORUM .


At the end of the day its OBVIOUS based on skills that Parker would lose to Ortiz . Ortiz defeated Jennings ,won EVERY rnd where Parker LOST many rnds to Jennings level opposition ,sooner or later you will need critical thinking skills here bc your going to need them here !

On the fights themselves ,Joshua is going to pummel Parker while Ortiz has an excellent chance against Wilder ? I'll even say he should defeat Wilder !

Anyone with common sense could see that it is Ortiz strengths that SHOULD exploit the Wilder holes .

If skills were the only thing needed then lets get Lennox Lewis out of retirement and he'd clean up the division!.... unfortunately, you need to be active to retain your timing, you also need to work on stamina, speed and power to be able to implement your skills..... and that is where your argument falls apart and my point becomes clear....... Ortiz has visibly slowed in the last 2 years, he has no momentum and therefore I don't know if he will be able to implement his skills, or if his timing or speed will be there, I also don't know if he can go 12 rounds, or what he is like receiving punches and having to work......

He might beat Wilder, Wilder is technically awful but he has proven power, speed and timing at least, everything Ortiz lacks, I'm sure as hell sure that Ortiz is not the same fighter he was 2 years ago though, and I'd wager he loses against Parker, Joshua, Povetkin, Pulev, Wilder now, and even guys like Takam or Whyte would have a chance with their chins and taking him deep.....I'd even bet on Hughie Fury to do a Parker on him, but make him look even slower and land less than Parker did......... but he might surprise me, just like Joshua did against Klitschko

[Vinnykin]

18 fight Prospects CANT be exposed you fool ! How does someone still learning get labeled as exposed , more proof you dont know what your talking about !

World champions can, I don't care how many fights they have had, Joshua was a decorated amateur and was world champion, the hype was real, still is.... he went life and death with a 41 year old coming off a loss and inactivity, that was exposed.....

And I wouldn't have been so harsh if it wasn't for fanboys on here making him out to be some highly skilled, elite fighter when he hadn't even gone 12 rounds before.