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  • Bronx2245
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    #31
    One, Hearn didn't want to make Joshua vs. Ortiz! Two, Hearn is right that Ortiz is high-risk, low-reward, as are most Cuban fighters, i.e. Erislandy Lara! So let's applaud Wilder for seeking the best opponent available! Going forward however, Wilder must recognize that AJ is the A-side by a mile, so don't start asking for 50-50 etc.! Take what Parker is getting, and then call shots for the rematch, if you win!

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      #32
      That's what I've been trying to tell you guys. He's damn right. He would have never made that Ortiz fight with Anthony Joshua even with a vacant WBA title at stake. Once again, Joshua took the path to least resistance by fighting Martin. Then Luis was the mandatory challenger for AJ's WBA belt, then he just so happen, to choose the easier opponent, in Kubret Pulev over King Kong Ortiz; However of course that was before Kubret was forced to pull out of that bout due to an injury.

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      • Deus
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        #33
        Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
        Robbie, can't you even try to fairly assess things? Do you really have to be so obsessively pro AJ? If Wilder has only fought bums, why did AJ defend his title against a "bum" Wilder had already knocked out? What would that say about AJ that he wanted sloppy seconds of someone you say is a bum?

        More importantly, nobody is forcing Wilder to fight King Kong and you have zero evidence of that. You literally just made that up.
        You talk of fairly assessing things and then totally ignore that:
        A) Joshua fought Molina as a replacement because his planned fight against Klitschko fell through due to Klitschko getting an injury at the time.
        B) Hearn didn't want Joshua to fight Molina either as once they knew that the Klitschko fight wasn't going to happen they were chasing Pulev... but Pulev wouldn't bite.

        Originally posted by champion4ever
        That's what I've been trying to tell you guys. He's damn right. He would have never made that Ortiz fight with Anthony Joshua even with a vacant WBA title at stake. Once again, Joshua took the path to least resistance by fighting Martin. Then Luis was the mandatory challenger for AJ's WBA belt, then he just so happen, to choose the easier opponent, in Kubret Pulev over King Kong Ortiz; However of course that was before Kubret was forced to pull out of that bout due to an injury.
        He didn't 'choose' anything by fighting Kubrat Pulev over Luis Ortiz... he was mandated by the IBF to fight Pulev immediately after Klitschko, irrelevant of the WBA instilling Ortiz as it's mandatory at the time. This was written clear as day on the IBF's website when they listed their exception for Joshua v Klitschko. The WBA on the other hand talked about allowing Joshua another voluntary defence after the Klitschko fight...

        As for the actual subject title... I kinda agree with DiBella in some instances, that being it certainly is good for the fans that Wilder v Ortiz has been made. Also think Hearn is off base when he calls this fight 'low reward' because beating Ortiz will definitely give Wilder more momentum and potentially more validity to his championship reign too.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Deus



          He didn't 'choose' anything by fighting Kubrat Pulev over Luis Ortiz... he was mandated by the IBF to fight Pulev immediately after Klitschko, irrelevant of the WBA instilling Ortiz as it's mandatory at the time. This was written clear as day on the IBF's website when they listed their exception for Joshua v Klitschko. The WBA on the other hand talked about allowing Joshua another voluntary defence after the Klitschko fight...

          As for the actual subject title... I kinda agree with DiBella in some instances, that being it certainly is good for the fans that Wilder v Ortiz has been made. Also think Hearn is off base when he calls this fight 'low reward' because beating Ortiz will definitely give Wilder more momentum and potentially more validity to his championship reign too.
          Ok fine, but if Joshua and Hearn really wanted to challenge Luis Ortiz for that WBA mandatory title; Do you honestly believe that the IBF would have stood in their way to prevent said fight from happening? In your heart of hearts? Let's be real.

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          • lfc19titles
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            #35
            How about you get wilder stop ducking yOu American coward ?

            50-50 lmao

            When ever had a d side demanded 50-50 it’s like maidana asking that vs Floyd

            Accept your highest pay day and take the ko loss to aj like a man you *****

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              #36
              Ortiz is known for two fights in the UK, Scott and Allen in which he looked average at best, so no Hearn wouldn't make Ortiz AJ without it being a mandatory as it looks like a mismatch to the UK public. Yes years ago Ortiz looked great in the US but few in the UK saw those fights.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                Your only defence is that Joshua fought the same bum in is 18th pro fight that Wilder fought in his 34th and struggled with?
                I'm saying he wasn't a bum. You're saying he's a bum. If he's a bum, why did AJ defend his world heavyweight championship against him after Wilder already knocked him out?



                Common sense that Ortiz would have been promised a shot. Very unlikely Ortiz would have signed without it. You know this stop playing ******.
                Okay, so you now admit that you definitively stated as fact something that was actually just your own personal conspiracy theory/guess.

                Ortiz already had a guaranteed title shot against AJ before signing with Haymon. So no, it's not common sense that he was promised the Wilder fight to sign with Haymon. Ortiz was going to wait for AJ until Wilder asked to fight him.

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                • Deus
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by champion4ever
                  Ok fine, but if Joshua and Hearn really wanted to challenge Luis Ortiz for that WBA mandatory title; Do you honestly believe that the IBF would have stood in their way to prevent said fight from happening? In your heart of hearts? Let's be real.
                  Now you're moving the goal posts, but yes I do believe the IBF would have stood in their way. The IBF mandatory was already due prior to the Klitschko bout so the likelihood of them allowing their mandatory to be delayed for a second time is slim to none, especially considering this is the same organisation that stripped Fury almost instantly once they found out that he'd agreed a rematch with Klitschko instead of the IBF mandatory that he was supposed to have had.

                  So yes, 'being real' logic dictates that the IBF would have stood in their way. I'm also pretty sure that there's nothing i've put above that you can dispute thus your claims strike me as nothing more than bias.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by DougalDylan
                    Ortiz is known for two fights in the UK, Scott and Allen in which he looked average at best, so no Hearn wouldn't make Ortiz AJ without it being a mandatory as it looks like a mismatch to the UK public. Yes years ago Ortiz looked great in the US but few in the UK saw those fights.
                    I watched the Allen fight today again, wish I hadn’t! Allen would have been knocked out easily within 3 rounds by both wilder and Joshua , Ortiz didn’t have the power at all. More importantly though he is so slow - I really give him no chance at all against Joshua and very limited chance against wilder.

                    Ortiz had hance to fight Joshua, he was going to be next in line after pulev - but chose to join haymon and go after wilder; that was his call and I presume because he felt wilder was easier of the fights. I think he will be taken or early to be honest though.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Deus
                      You talk of fairly assessing things and then totally ignore that:
                      A) Joshua fought Molina as a replacement because his planned fight against Klitschko fell through due to Klitschko getting an injury at the time.
                      B) Hearn didn't want Joshua to fight Molina either as once they knew that the Klitschko fight wasn't going to happen they were chasing Pulev... but Pulev wouldn't bite.
                      It's actually Klitschko who was the replacement originally. AJ was fighting in December regardless. Molina was the likely opponent. Klitschko's fight with Fury fell through, so he was going to rush and do the December date that was already scheduled. Only to wind up injured, causing Hearn to go back to his original plan.

                      I'm not criticizing the Molina defense and didn't criticize it at the time. But you can't say he's a bum when Wilder fights him, and then after Wilder knocks him out, then AJ fights him and he's not a bum. We need some consistency here.

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