Most proven chin in HW?

[True That]

We're talking about as a professional my friend not the amateurs. Wilder's seat has never touched the canvas as a professional but Anthony Joshua's have. You guys are willing to go so far in order to discredit Deontay Wilder.

The Sconiers fight was as a professional for Wilder.

They mentioned that Wilder was dropped once in his pro career on Showtime as well during the Wilder vs. Ortiz telecast.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I'm just using common points of reference. Arreola both fought Stiverne and Vitali, who I think is comparable in power to his brother. The Eddie Chambers comparison is irrelevant in that case since we don't have a point of reference.

And Stiverne maybe failed to knock out those you've mentioned, but none of them were pummeled for 3 straight minutes without even taking a knee while egging him on. Nobody in the boxing world would be dumb enough to egg Stiverne on or take that type of punishment from him.

And about Povetkin, when did I ever say that his (pre juice) and Deontay's power weren't comparable?

This is where you're incorrect!

Firstly, Vitali Klitschko, after his comeback from retirement had multiple shoulder and arm surgeries. Therefore, he wasn't the same boxer when it came to punching power after his comeback from retirement, compared to how he was before his retirement. Vitali Klitschko, prior to retiring and when was in his prime, would stop the likes of Chris Arreola and some of his other opponents who went the distance with him, within the distance if he fought them during his prime before his first retirement. Just take a look at what he did to Kirk Johnson. A guy who was never knocked out before. Vitali finished him just 2 rounds. Arreola and some of the other opponents that he faced after his comeback would have faced the same fate, had they fought him during his prime.

To make things worse, Vitali Klitschko was actually a part time boxer after his comeback from his first retirement where he was also deeply focused and involved with politics.

Secondly, it's not even debatable that Wladimir Klitschko is a much more powerful puncher than Vitali Klitschko. So no, Vitali Klitschko's power is not as comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's when it comes to concussive knockouts and one punch power. Based on the eye test and even based on expert opinion. Emanuel Steward would even say that Wladimir Klitschko is the more powerful puncher and so did Chris Byrd, who fought both and said Wladimir Klitschko was the most powerful puncher he ever faced.

Chris Byrd example is also irrelevant because Bermane Stiverne never fought Chris Byrd. So we don't know how well he would take Stiverne's punches.

I can also assure you now that if Wladimir Klitschko faced Stiverne's opponents, he would most likely KO every single one of them.

And Alexander Povetkin was never caught for any juice / PED that improves punching power. His punching power has always remained, more or less the same.

[champion4ever]

The Sconiers fight was as a professional for Wilder.

They mentioned that Wilder was dropped once in his pro career on Showtime as well during the Wilder vs. Ortiz telecast.

Those fights were blacked out. I wonder why?

[True That]

Those fights were blacked out. I wonder why?

Yeah, that is su****ious. Hmmmm???

Things that make you go Hmmmm????

All we can go by at this point I guess is what was said by people who saw it.

[BigZ44]

David Price, certainly. He has proven beyond a doubt where his chin is.

[KingHippo]

This is where you're incorrect!

Firstly, Vitali Klitschko, after his comeback from retirement had multiple shoulder and arm surgeries. Therefore, he wasn't the same boxer when it came to punching power after his comeback from retirement, compared to how he was before his retirement. Vitali Klitschko, prior to retiring and when was in his prime, would stop the likes of Chris Arreola and some of his other opponents who went the distance with him, within the distance if he fought them during his prime before his first retirement. Just take a look at what he did to Kirk Johnson. A guy who was never knocked out before. Vitali finished him just 2 rounds. Arreola and some of the other opponents that he faced after his comeback would have faced the same fate, had they fought him during his prime.

To make things worse, Vitali Klitschko was actually a part time boxer after his comeback from his first retirement where he was also deeply focused and involved with politics.

Secondly, it's not even debatable that Wladimir Klitschko is a much more powerful puncher than Vitali Klitschko. So no, Vitali Klitschko's power is not as comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's when it comes to concussive knockouts and one punch power. Based on the eye test and even based on expert opinion. Emanuel Steward would even say that Wladimir Klitschko is the more powerful puncher and so did Chris Byrd, who fought both and said Wladimir Klitschko was the most powerful puncher he ever faced.

Chris Byrd example is also irrelevant because Bermane Stiverne never fought Chris Byrd. So we don't know how well he would take Stiverne's punches.

I can also assure you now that if Wladimir Klitschko faced Stiverne's opponents, he would most likely KO every single one of them.

And Alexander Povetkin was never caught for any juice / PED that improves punching power. His punching power has always remained, more or less the same.

Most of that was pure hypotheticals. But if we're going to play that game, try to answer these questions "objectively":

-Do you think Byrd could survive 3 minutes of Stiverne's relentless attack without taking a knee or getting knocked out?

-Do you think there are opponents that Klitshcko didn't knock out that Stiverne could?

-Do you think knockouts are the result of pure force only, or that other variables like technique and accuracy also play a part?

-Do you really think that because Povetkin never got caught for steroids, he never took any?

-Also, do you really believe David Haye punches harder than Wilder, and if so, why should I trust your eye testing abilities?

Deontay Wilder's punching power is no higher than that of Lennox Lewis's, Wladimir Klitschko's or even David Haye's or Anthony Joshua's.

[BM dnobagaV]

Lol @ fat Stiverne and 3-minute relentless attack in the same sentence.

[LacedUp]

AJ has beaten the best fighter, and took hellacious punches in the process. So him.