Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder Taking Big Risk for 'Very Small Amount of Money'

[john l]

LOL yea it is a weird discussion I don't deny.

Well I can't believe Wilder is getting $4M for Ortiz, but sh^t if he is respect on getting all that paper vs fighting a guy deemed more legit.

But yep your overall point might show how badly boxing fans think of boxing/boxers these days. And you can bet your life savings & your next paycheck that if Wilder beats Ortiz (a guy who I see most people hyping as the best non-title holder out there & some people even rank higher than Wilder today), Ortiz will be a bum, overrated (for full disclosure I'm claiming this TODAY, but you can't argue with the consensus opinion which I already brought up & makes Ortiz the best guy Wilder can fight today), too old or something on Sunday to diminish that W for Wilder for a nice segment of fans.

Although sometimes idk if thats just fans hating or fans being too passionate like other sports fans are & its to be expected like when some guy just hates the Patriots or Yankees to the point of 50%+ of their sports fanness is about hating on those teams.

Oh & randomly I've even seen some cats hedging their bets already by saying 2015 Ortiz was a bada$$ (for beating patty cake punching Jennings) & 2018 Ortiz is a shadow of that guy lmfao. So its coming for sure if Wilder wins.

Yea its already started soon as Wilder signed.And the difference between Basesball fans hating on the Yankees is that in their sport they know the best will be playing the best.And their sport is not slowly dying because of the best not fightin the best.

[Eff Pandas]

And the difference between Basesball fans hating on the Yankees is that in their sport they know the best will be playing the best.And their sport is not slowly dying because of the best not fightin the best.

Idk man. Idk if its really THAT different. It just feels more personal cuz guys are hating on specific guys vs a team of 20 something guys or 60 something guys or however many cats are on a football team.

I feel like a lot of sports fandom is loving & hating & some cats prefer to love, some cats prefer to hate & some cats do a lil of both. And some cats just enjoy the sport without too much emotion either way, I definitely feel like I'm the latter more, but I do have my own love towards certain guys or types of guys from time to time (Michigan fighters & Cubans typically) that I try to be knowledgeable of & avoid as much as I can when discussing a topic involving those guys.

And preaching to the choir on the best vs best angle. I keep saying over n over for years n years boxing needs to find a better structured format that presents tiers in the sport so there is a rookie level, a developmental level, a contender level & a championship level where the biggest names have the biggest fights like happens in all sports. Boxing has no quality control & no clearly drawn lines between levels beyond amateur & professional. Thats hurting the sport & makes it look freak show, traveling circus-y & amateur hour-ish compared to any other sport regular people talk about or watch.

[bballchump11]

Props for Wilder for deciding to take on a tougher opponent despite the money.

[john l]

Idk man. Idk if its really THAT different. It just feels more personal cuz guys are hating on specific guys vs a team of 20 something guys or 60 something guys or however many cats are on a football team.

I feel like a lot of sports fandom is loving & hating & some cats prefer to love, some cats prefer to hate & some cats do a lil of both. And some cats just enjoy the sport without too much emotion either way, I definitely feel like I'm the latter more, but I do have my own love towards certain guys or types of guys from time to time (Michigan fighters & Cubans typically) that I try to be knowledgeable of & avoid as much as I can when discussing a topic involving those guys.

And preaching to the choir on the best vs best angle. I keep saying over n over for years n years boxing needs to find a better structured format that presents tiers in the sport so there is a rookie level, a developmental level, a contender level & a championship level where the biggest names have the biggest fights like happens in all sports. Boxing has no quality control & no clearly drawn lines between levels beyond amateur & professional. Thats hurting the sport & makes it look freak show, traveling circus-y & amateur hour-ish compared to any other sport regular people talk about or watch.

I think it is that different because you can hate the Yaankee's all you want or the Pats in football.But the comish cant just decide to not let them play because he knows the fanbase will let him get away with it.In boxing these promoters can hide their fighters and the some "fans"will be happy about it.I have favorites too but in all honesty ill ALWAYS root for the SPORT 1st.To give example I always was a b-hop fan but when he fought Tayler I rooted hard for Tayler because at that time it looked like B-Hop was about done(boy I really called that one lol)and it was better for the sport for a young undefeated kid to take over ALL the titles then to have B-Hop win then retire and have no champ/star to take over.

[john l]

Props for Wilder for deciding to take on a tougher opponent despite the money.

Bingo and karma for a REAL fan

[Eff Pandas]

I think it is that different because you can hate the Yaankee's all you want or the Pats in football.But the comish cant just decide to not let them play because he knows the fanbase will let him get away with it.In boxing these promoters can hide their fighters and the some "fans"will be happy about it.

Yea sure there is that quality control problem with boxing, but beyond all that some fans love certain fighters & some fans hate certain fighters. The structure of boxing is the structure of boxing. If top guys competed against top guys all year round like happens in every other sport some fans would still love certain guys & some fans would still hate certain guys. That part wouldn't change at all.

I have favorites too but in all honesty ill ALWAYS root for the SPORT 1st.To give example I always was a b-hop fan but when he fought Tayler I rooted hard for Tayler because at that time it looked like B-Hop was about done(boy I really called that one lol)and it was better for the sport for a young undefeated kid to take over ALL the titles then to have B-Hop win then retire and have no champ/star to take over.

Yea agree with this 100%. Boxing first.

And thats why there are so many problems with boxing. There is no one with power who can put boxing first like every other sport has. The NFL puts football first. The NBA puts basketball first. The MLB puts baseball first. The UFC even puts MMA first. And so on & so forth.

Whats like that in boxing? Nothing. Nothing close to it in boxing.

[Factual Voice]

Haymon rigging outcomes

Yea I don't buy all that. If Haymon wasn't doing sh^t on the up and up than the two lawsuits he's been woulda figured that all out.

Plus there is the fighter angle. If fighters were getting f#cked over Haymon wouldn't have one of the highest approval ratings of business guys in boxing.

But for sure there is some other sh^t going on here cuz too many decisions don't make sense to me (like this Wilder decision to not fight Whyte for more money and less of a challenge which is the strategy too many guys use these days).

The answer is haymon can't buy off Whyte and call for him to lose to Wilder like he can wuth Ortiz. This has Always been able control and Haymon needs complete control at all times. He rigs outcomes when needed and this outcome with wilder he needed to get that cash out with AJ so don't expect Ortiz to do much of anything except pull a Malik Scott or Stiverne here and flop.....

[Eff Pandas]

The answer is haymon can't buy off Whyte and call for him to lose to Wilder like he can wuth Ortiz.

Yea I'm not into the whole conspiracy angle with boxing. I don't think Haymon is lining up guys to fall down for his bigger names.

I don't think anyone really does that at the TV fight level these days & it was rare to happen in big top ten type fights at any time in history. And sh^t a lot of PBC guys have been beat. They NEED to be paying mfers to laydown to f#cking Broner if anything. Broner could be huge if Haymon was fixing his fights lmfao. Idk how that mfer has maintained & increased his popularity now tbh as he's been phoning in his boxing career since the Chino L.

I think Haymon is just about getting his clients paid at his core & thats what he does. He's no fight fixer.

[Larry the boss]

You have to hate boxing to mock on Wilder for choosing the bigger threath instead of the money fight. He is doing what all champions should do

exactly............

[john l]

Yea sure there is that quality control problem with boxing, but beyond all that some fans love certain fighters & some fans hate certain fighters. The structure of boxing is the structure of boxing. If top guys competed against top guys all year round like happens in every other sport some fans would still love certain guys & some fans would still hate certain guys. That part wouldn't change at all.



Yea agree with this 100%. Boxing first.

And thats why there are so many problems with boxing. There is no one with power who can put boxing first like every other sport has. The NFL puts football first. The NBA puts basketball first. The MLB puts baseball first. The UFC even puts MMA first. And so on & so forth.

Whats like that in boxing? Nothing. Nothing close to it in boxing.

You got that right about NO ONE in the buis puts boxing 1st.I know there all separate companys but the heath of the sport affects them all.Thats why I hate it when a boxing writer/fan says guys like Arum are good business men.During his tenure the sport has went down in every way.Yea he might now have the biggest piece but that pie is MUCH smaller.And as far as fanboys yea there will always be some but in our sport when you got them idiots drinking the promoters Kool-Aid it can affect whether big fights get made in other sports they can hate all they want if the Yankees win the A leage there going to the world series.Where in ours Wilder/Ortiz can win but STIILL not fight the other best and those fans make it easier for them to get away from it.It has a MUCH more direct effect.He ll if the best always fought the best I could care less about the haters just like I could care less about the haters of the Pats because IF they win nobody can stop them from being the champs.