Mike Tyson: Wilder is the weakest among HW champions!

[Real King Kong]

another post and you're still not naming a better win. if arreola sucks so much, you should have a giant list for me of all of the great wins from hughie, takam and ruiz. but you can't name even one. so weird. on and on about how much arreola sucks, but can't name a better win from any of those three.

Lol...ok. from rankings to this. Arreola is not a better win than any of those.

[N/A]

Lol...ok. from rankings to this. Arreola is not a better win than any of those.

Name one.

Name a win Hughie, Ruiz or Takam had before losing to Parker that is better than Stiverne's first win over Arreola.

You can't. That's why this has been going on for pages. Everybody trying to distract from the fact that they can't name anybody.

[BoxingTech718]

Mike off his psych meds again or what?
How do you diss wilder and demand he fight a PED cheat?

[Real King Kong]

Name one.

Name a win Hughie, Ruiz or Takam had before losing to Parker that is better than Stiverne's first win over Arreola.

You can't. That's why this has been going on for pages. Everybody trying to distract from the fact that they can't name anybody.

Objectively state why arreola is better than any of those guys. What wins does arreola have that are better than wins they have. Of all the better opposition any of them fought, it was all against past prime guys with recent losses. They are all the same as far as I'm concerned...you were arguing that stiverne is some how better, so it should be up to you to provide an answer, not the other way around.

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Objectively state why arreola is better than any of those guys. What wins does arreola have that are better than wins they have. Of all the better opposition any of them fought, it was all against past prime guys with recent losses. They are all the same as far as I'm concerned...you were arguing that stiverne is some how better, so it should be up to you to provide an answer, not the other way around.

You're not understanding what is being discussed at all. I don't know why you involved yourself in a discussion without reading it. Nobody is saying Arreola is better than those guys. What was stated was he was a better win than the best wins of those fighters before facing Parker.

[N/A]

Takam beat Tony Thompson.

Yes, that is what I listed as Takam's best win, so we're in agreement.

But it was a four loss, 42 year old Tony Thompson, and at the time, I don't think the boxing world considered it a bigger win than Stiverne's shocking upset of Arreola. After all, Stiverne's win catapulted him to a title shot. Takam's win resulted in, not much.

So at the time, I don't think Thompson was considered the better win than Arreola.

I will grant you this though, in retrospect, politics aside, a 42 year old Thompson may have beat Arreola. So I've got no problem with your position that Thompson was the better win. Kudos for discussing in good faith and actually naming a name.

[Real King Kong]

You're not understanding what is being discussed at all. I don't know why you involved yourself in a discussion without reading it. Nobody is saying Arreola is better than those guys. What was stated was he was a better win than the best wins of those fighters before facing Parker.

Sorry I meant stiverne...and that's exactly what's being discussed. i don't even care about any of this either way but, you're the one that brought me into it by quoting my post so...

[Deus]

Mike off his psych meds again or what?
How do you diss wilder and demand he fight a PED cheat?

His nose is clearly out of joint from what Wilder has been saying and he's now just saying things back I think.

Pretty sure he's only mentioned Povetkin because he was out in Eastern Europe and thus bigged up the local lad for brownie points.

[SAINTSTEVE]

The consensus is always ever in need of revision which is why upsets happen, is because the consensus opinion was skewed or inaccurate. There is hindsight bias in play here. For example, Luis Ortiz is considered a top 5 contender but if he gets demolished then fans will say, in hindsight, that he probably wasn't really top 5. Or maybe Ortiz wins and we'll be forced to acknowledge that Tyson was possibly right.

[keith_head]

TBH I give Wilder credit for the likes of Duhaupas and Szpilka who have proven since their losses to actually be pretty decent guys in the 20-30 level. I just don't think Stiverne was ever a legite number 2, even if it may have looked like it at the time.