Comments Thread For: Wilder: I Want To Knock Luis Ortiz's Head Clean Off His Shoulders!

[P4Pdunny]

his performances and skills don't match his big talking, but you got to like his confidence if nothing else.

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The hardest puncher on Earth???

Don't get me started on this. Please don't.

If you're going to make the wild claim that Malik Scott took a dive live on Showtime, I think you should have to back it up.

[juggernaut666]

I think both side have a legit argument. Wilder did indeed fight a lot of cans, but he has definitely tried to pick up the pace in the last couple of years or so, but was unable to, through no faults of his own.

And you make a good point, that Ortiz is a voluntary defence, no one wanted any part of Ortiz.

WBC as usual makes no point .


It was Ortiz who could have waited for Joshua defeating Takam bc he was a mandatory . He lost that bc he CHOSE to fight Wilder .

Instead of Parker, it would be Ortiz fighting Joshua . If his skills matched his ******ity he would be the guy to beat .

[JRB123]

It was Ortiz who could have waited for Joshua defeating Takam bc he was a mandatory . He lost that bc he CHOSE to fight Wilder.

This is what many people don't realize. Ortiz could have waited until after AJ's fight with Takam to get that shot at Joshua but passed on it to go after Wilder.

If AJ went ahead and fought Ortiz instead of (at the time) Pulev, he would have been stripped of the IBF title. He had just won the WBA "super" title which was vacant up to the point of the Klitschko fight.

Not AJ's fault that the WBA didn't have a world champion since Browne got stripped of the regular belt in March

[PunchyPotorff]

It is interesting how Wilder was able to get the WBC belt in the first place...in 2013, he fought Matthew Greer, Audley Harrison, Siarhei Liakovich, and Nicolai Firtha. Then he faced Malik Scott (we know what happened there) and Jason Gavern (who was 25-16-4) before the WBC title fight. His opponent - Bermane Stiverne - was coming off fighting one time per year since 2012...a fight with Willie Herring in April of that year, then waiting nearly a year until his first fight with Arreola, and then almost 13 months until his next fight with Arreola for the vacant WBC title.

Stiverne had to wait another 8 months to defend that title, when the rules state that you have to defend the bet every 90 to 120 days. 8 months is much more than 120 days, so what happened there?

On top of that, Wilder didn't make his first defense of that title until five months after winning it. To further add su****ion, he was supposed to defend against the mandatory challenger one year after winning the title. He didn't.

Yep. I still don't get all the rule bending. Makes no sense.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Then how do you explain nearly twice as many cans as his promoter originally said he'd have to fight before dealing with some serious competition?

His manager, who is also Klitschko's manager, said Wilder would need a couple fights before being ready for Klitschko. So, he quickly scheduled a couple fights for Wilder. Not world beaters, but not bums either. After Wilder knocked out Duhaupas, he went on to knock out Helenius to become silver WBC heavyweight champion, and wound up spending the next six months in the TBRB top 10. So Duhaupas was clearly better than people gave him credit for.

When Wilder & Klitschko's manager said Wilder would need a couple fights, Klitschko already had a fight scheduled, so he wasn't available anyway. After Wilder's two quick fights, he went public that he was ready for Klitschko ASAP. Klitschko needed to make a mandatory defense against Fury, and Wilder said in a lengthy interview with Forbes that he'd fight Klitsckho in 2016.

As we all know, Fury pulled off the upset, ruining plans for Klitschko vs. Wilder. But that is not Wilder's fault. Just as it isn't Wilder's fault that Povetkin cheated or that King Kong cheated.

Now Wilder is giving King Kong a second chance. In a voluntary defense, Wilder is fighting the most avoided monster in the division. If you can't give him props for that, then you're never going to give him props for anything. You're just a hater, plain and simple.

Play deflectorama all you want. Call me a hater, I don't care. Fact: Wilder fought TWICE as many cans as his promoter said he would before facing legit opposition. I'm fine with ANY fighter if they're legit. If/when Wilder proves he's legit, I'll respect him. Until then, no thanx.

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Wilder fought TWICE as many cans as his promoter said he would before facing legit opposition.

Finkel isn't his promoter. Finkel is his manager. Finkel said two fights before being ready for Klitschko. When he said that, Klitschko wasn't even available because he was already scheduled to fight Jennings.

True to his word, Finkel quickly scheduled two fights. So eight months after winning the title, Wilder was ready to fight Klitschko. He gave a lengthy interview with Forbes magazine saying he was ready to fight Klitschko immediately, but understood that due to mandatories, the fight wouldn't be possible until 2016. This was in reference to Klitschko having to fight Tyson Fury, but Wilder made it clear he wanted Klitschko after he beat Fury.

One problem. Klitschko lost. And Finkel's plan of matching his two fighters (Klitschko & Wilder) went out the window. You can't blame Wilder for that fight not happening because he scheduled two quick fights while Klitschko wasn't even available and then asked to fight Klitsckho as soon as he was available. Not Wilder's fault that Klitschko lost.

As for those two quick fights Wilder took, they were a 23-2 Molina and a 32-2 Duhaupas. After Wilder knocked out Molina, AJ ended up making a defense against him on PPV. So wouldn't be very fair to AJ to label him a tomato can.

Labeling Duhaupas as tomato can is even more ridiculous. He had just beaten current WBA world heavyweight champion Manuel Charr when Wilder decided to fight him and after Wilder knocked him out, then Duhaupas knocked out an undefeated Helenius to become silver world champion.

Duhaupas then spent the next six months in the TBRB top ten, before losing on very short notice to the cheating Povetkin.

Just because Duhaupas isn't the greatest fighter that ever lived doesn't mean he's a tomato can, especially when Wilder fought him fresh off his victory over Charr. He was a legit world contender.

So yes, you probably are a hater. Because when you start labeling guys on that level as tomato cans, you're being overly negative and completely unfair.

[juggernaut666]

Finkel isn't his promoter. Finkel is his manager. Finkel said two fights before being ready for Klitschko. When he said that, Klitschko wasn't even available because he was already scheduled to fight Jennings.

True to his word, Finkel quickly scheduled two fights. So eight months after winning the title, Wilder was ready to fight Klitschko. He gave a lengthy interview with Forbes magazine saying he was ready to fight Klitschko immediately, but understood that due to mandatories, the fight wouldn't be possible until 2016. This was in reference to Klitschko having to fight Tyson Fury, but Wilder made it clear he wanted Klitschko after he beat Fury.

One problem. Klitschko lost. And Finkel's plan of matching his two fighters (Klitschko & Wilder) went out the window. You can't blame Wilder for that fight not happening because he scheduled two quick fights while Klitschko wasn't even available and then asked to fight Klitsckho as soon as he was available. Not Wilder's fault that Klitschko lost.

As for those two quick fights Wilder took, they were a 23-2 Molina and a 32-2 Duhaupas. After Wilder knocked out Molina, AJ ended up making a defense against him on PPV. So wouldn't be very fair to AJ to label him a tomato can.

Labeling Duhaupas as tomato can is even more ridiculous. He had just beaten current WBA world heavyweight champion Manuel Charr when Wilder decided to fight him and after Wilder knocked him out, then Duhaupas knocked out an undefeated Helenius to become silver world champion.

Duhaupas then spent the next six months in the TBRB top ten, before losing on very short notice to the cheating Povetkin.

Just because Duhaupas isn't the greatest fighter that ever lived doesn't mean he's a tomato can, especially when Wilder fought him fresh off his victory over Charr. He was a legit world contender.

So yes, you probably are a hater. Because when you start labeling guys on that level as tomato cans, you're being overly negative and completely unfair.

Klitchko WAS available to fight Wilder in 2016 .

Wilder fought Washington Feb. 2017 .

He ORIGINALLY announced the Wawrzyk fight December 2016 .


The Fury vs Klitchko rematch was cancelled in October 12th 2016 .


Klitchko was WITHOUT an opponent in December which was the SET date for Fury .


Wilder showed NO interest in even attempting to talk about a negotiable fight with Klitchko .

He instead (despite claiming injuries ) set up a attempted Wawrzyk fight in December AFTER Joshua had secured a Klitchko fight .


Joshua vs Klitchko hadnt taken place until 2017 .

Wilder fought TWO months before Klitchko did ,so you can save the Wilder little hand injury which appently was void against Washington excuse out .



Before the Fury rematch was OFFICIALLY called off ,Wilder in September 23rd had only said it was SAD on TWITTER .


Now lets look at the ACTUAL facts on Klitchko TRYING to get Wilder AFTER Jennings .

" We need to do it and we have to do it . There is a certain reason why im back here and why im fighting on U.S television live on U.S soil . Wilder is the most valuable opponent for me to fight and the price is the title he has " W. Klitchko

Klitchko URGED Wilder to take on better opponents when Wilder decided to take on Duhaupas which was announced in August 2015 .


Klitchko announced he was fighting Fury in July 2015 bc team Wilder wanted NO part of Klitchko .........as they THEMSELVES stated they were in NO rush for a Klitchko fight IMMEDIATLEY after Stiverne victory ,so the continued notion that Klitchko chose Fury is NONSENSE . He wanted the WBC belt .


This post shows he was available before and after Fury !

[juggernaut666]

This is what many people don't realize. Ortiz could have waited until after AJ's fight with Takam to get that shot at Joshua but passed on it to go after Wilder.

If AJ went ahead and fought Ortiz instead of (at the time) Pulev, he would have been stripped of the IBF title. He had just won the WBA "super" title which was vacant up to the point of the Klitschko fight.

Not AJ's fault that the WBA didn't have a world champion since Browne got stripped of the regular belt in March

Yep ,,,,read my other post now that Mr .WBC will TRY and twist and spin above .

[JRB123]

Yep ,,,,read my other post now that Mr .WBC will TRY and twist and spin above .

The part that he forgot is that Finkel wanted Wilder to have two voluntary fights and then fight Povetkin. No mention of fighting Klitschko after that.

So even if there was any instance of Wilder saying that he wanted Klitschko in 2016, that fight was not going to take place as Finkel would not make it happen. We saw what actually took place.