Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson: Deontay Wilder Could Beat Me? I Don't Think So!

[sotgoda]

Your not giving the entire story at all. Wilder also fought mostly bums in the beginning of his career and not much has changed. Tyson beat Michael Spinks, Frank Bruno and most of the top boxers of his era while Wilders best win was against Bermaine "whale blubber" Stiverne who was possibly the worst out of shape slow heavyweight in History. Not to mention most of Tysons fights he was at a significant height and reach disadvantage. Who knows if Tyson would have beat Wilder, I say the 1986 version does. Your forgetting Tyson also had phenominal defense and footwork and his power was devastating. Not to mention ferocious he just kept throwing one bomb after another until he knocked his opponent out. Wilder is good but hes never been truly tested yet.

Wow... what part of the story was I not providing? Yes, Tyson was probably more often than not at a significant height and reach disadvantage. However, when the disadvantage was quite drastic, he struggled. Those are the facts. Now, I am not saying Wilder has been tested. Neither has AJ too. None of the guys have been tested. Please, dont come back to me with the Wlad crap. He was a very old man, coming off a loss and 15+ months from his last fight. Those again are facts.

I am not trying to put down Tyson. What I am doing is putting down the myth that he was unbeatable in his prime. How can you be out of your prime at 24 years old? How does that make any sense when you started fighting 5 years before as a pro?

I think Tyson was a very good, dare I say great, fighter. But it is my opinion that he won most of his fights by intimidation, i.e., fear created by his persona and usually outside the ring before the fight begins.

Who were most of the best of Tyson's era? Frank Bruno was pathetic having lost twice before his 1st fight with Tyson. So, why are you naming him? Spinks - I will give you that (although I could as well argue that Tyson was his last fight).

So, who were the top fighters? An aged Larry Holmes? Tyson lost equally as well as he won (I am being generous here) the big fights he was in. Lost twice to Holyfield and resorted to biting his ear when he could not overwhelm him. Tyson also avoided Lewis like a plague and then lost to him too in convincing fashion. Again, these are facts.

[mathed]

LMAO, Iron Mike didn't even want to waste his time on such non-sense. He'd get in on that beanpole and chop him down with two iron axes, and completely devastate him along the ropes.

[factsarenice]

Tyson's 1st set of opponents are listed below:

1. Hector Mercedes: final record of 1 win 10 losses (0-3 record before Tyson)

2. Trent Singleton 1 - 4 final record (1-3 record before Tyson)

Tyson outweighed his 1st 2 opponents by about 15 pounds, FYI...

3. Don Halpin 10 - 23 final record (10 - 18 record before Tyson)

4. Ricardo Spain 2 - 23 final record (1 - 0 record before Tyson); outweighed by 30+ pounds by Tyson.

5. John Alderson 6 -1 final record (3 - 0 before Tyson); he outweighed Tyson.

6. Larry Sims 3 - 19 final record (3 - 16 before Tyson)..

I could go on but it is not necessary. Check out boxrec and see the details yourself.

Ultimately, these are the people he fought. If Wilder fights these same guys - you call him a bum beater. But Tyson's opponents were worse. He outweighed over half of them too (I counted 20 or so out of his 1st 32 opponents) and their combined records until about mid 1985 or so.

Now, no one on Tyson's record has the height and reach of Wilder; neither the foot speed and agility. Don't write back ****** stuff before performing your analysis. The closest to Wilder's physical dimensions were:

Tony Tucker (6'5" and 82 inches) - went to UD;
Mitch Green (6'5" and 82 inches) - also went to UD;

These are the facts. They are not made up or opinions. Numbers don't lie. Based on these facts, my inference is that he will struggle with taller, rangier fighters.

Also, for this world beater 'Tyson' compare his records and the people he fought too against those that Wilder fought. Was Tyson also a bum-beater?

Most heavyweights of those days will be cruiserweights at best in this era. So, enough with the crap talk about Tyson demolishing Wilder. I expect some ****** responses as well from non-objective folks. Provide data to back up your assertion - not BS.

Looks like you forgot that he folded in half a prime, 6'3" Pinklon Thomas and a 6'4"Bone Crusher Smith. Both great jabs and both said they were too big for Tyson. Then there was 6'3" Larry Holmes and 6'3" prime Frank Bruno and 6'4" Carl the Truth Williams. Seems like every guy you didn't mention would be favored over Wilder and some by a wide margin. Don't get me wrong, Wilder certainly has some natural athletic ability, he hits hard and he's awkward but that's about it. So far, what I've noticed is that Wilders footwork is awful and after throwing a punch he's always, and I mean always, out of position.

The truth is that Mike Tyson fought big men with better skills than Wilder and Mike beat them, that's a fact.

Until we see Wilder in with someone other than a paycheck player we don't know where Wilder fits in the grand scheme of things.

[Outwest Exp 355]

We can't fight but you can suck them Beyonce balls you useless fangirl

Go stalk someone else loser.

[factsarenice]

LMAO, Iron Mike didn't even want to waste his time on such non-sense. He'd get in on that beanpole and chop him down with two iron axes, and completely devastate him along the ropes.

You had me right up to the Ben Carson quote. Abraham Lincoln was a ********** that went to war against everything the ********** party has morphed into.

[JLC]

Looks like you forgot that he folded in half a prime, 6'3" Pinklon Thomas and a 6'4"Bone Crusher Smith. Both great jabs and both said they were too big for Tyson. Then there was 6'3" Larry Holmes and 6'3" prime Frank Bruno and 6'4" Carl the Truth Williams. Seems like every guy you didn't mention would be favored over Wilder and some by a wide margin. Don't get me wrong, Wilder certainly has some natural athletic ability, he hits hard and he's awkward but that's about it. So far, what I've noticed is that Wilders footwork is awful and after throwing a punch he's always, and I mean always, out of position.

The truth is that Mike Tyson fought big men with better skills than Wilder and Mike beat them, that's a fact.

Until we see Wilder in with someone other than a paycheck player we don't know where Wilder fits in the grand scheme of things.

This man came back w straight facts. Case closed people

['b']

What would the betting odds be?

Tyson ear-bite?
Tyson via r4pe?
Wilder via windmill?

[mathed]

You had me right up to the Ben Carson quote. Abraham Lincoln was a ********** that went to war against everything the ********** party has morphed into.

You sound young, like you've been brainwashed by the modern, pathetic education system. Here you are trying to convince others that a guy with a PHD and an IQ of over 160 is a liar. The ********** party was only created to oppose the ********ic party, you know that right and give African Americans a party to support? You also know that the very first African Americans in politics were part of that party, I hope.

So why would the people who want to get rid of confederate statues, support the party that created the KKK? Nothing has changed except the truth being passed along to the future leaders of this nation. The party that focuses on race non-stop....the ******** party, is the same party that keeps ********** poor, afraid, and standing in line with a hand out.

Your insults don't affect me, I don't even feel sorry for your ignorance to be honest, even though as a Christian, I should.

[SinderellaMan]

Now, Tyson talks. Why wait so long? Who exactly has he fought that fights like Wilder? None. Not sure there is anyone in the history of heavyweights who fights like Wilder - clumsy, rangy, athletic, long and with God-given power. Further, Tyson lost in his prime at 24 to Douglas. So, what exactly is this hype about his prime?

Anyone can be beat in the heavyweight - however, all the main advantages are with Wilder save for the Tyson uppercut and power in the left. In the right hand, Wilder has more power. For Tyson to throw the uppercut, Wilder would have to be too wild and Tyson will have to be close.

Wilder fights to the level of his opposition. I see him destroying Tyson easily. Haters gonna hate - but too many physical advantages for Wilder which Tyson records shows he struggles with.

If I had to post a comment to this, and I grew up watching Tyson, I would have typed your words verbatim. Well said

[SinderellaMan]

Looks like you forgot that he folded in half a prime, 6'3" Pinklon Thomas and a 6'4"Bone Crusher Smith. Both great jabs and both said they were too big for Tyson. Then there was 6'3" Larry Holmes and 6'3" prime Frank Bruno and 6'4" Carl the Truth Williams. Seems like every guy you didn't mention would be favored over Wilder and some by a wide margin. Don't get me wrong, Wilder certainly has some natural athletic ability, he hits hard and he's awkward but that's about it. So far, what I've noticed is that Wilders footwork is awful and after throwing a punch he's always, and I mean always, out of position.

The truth is that Mike Tyson fought big men with better skills than Wilder and Mike beat them, that's a fact.

Until we see Wilder in with someone other than a paycheck player we don't know where Wilder fits in the grand scheme of things.

Pinklon Thomas? He disappeared after the Tyson fight. Holmes was an old man. Frank Bruno was the 80s version of Anthony Joshua. Bone Crusher vanished after the Tyson fight. The facts you've presented are not filled with the strength you hope for. The truth is, Wilder and Tyson both have resumes filled with opponents that have similar records. They both were heavily ducked by elite opponents because of their life altering knockout power. I do believe Wilder would have KO'd Tyson. When you knockout out every man who steps in the ring with you, bum or not, you are doing something special. How many times do we see a fighter hyped to be the next great get beaten by some "bum"?
I do feel, however, that Wilder should respect the elders of boxing. It's an unspoken tradition of respect to those who came before you. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Tyson played a major role in influencing Wilder's passion for boxing.