Comments Thread For: Garcia-Rios Peaked at 558K Viewers, Averaged 516K on Showtime

[killakali]

I've never said what I believe the impact is, so it's impossible for me to exaggerate. All I've done is point out all of the ways Showtime allows their fights to be watched even though Nielsen won't count it while pointing out all of the ways HBO blocks their fights from being watched because Nielsen won't count it. You say it's only a 5% difference, but I'm about to explain several reasons why I believe you may be underestimating the impact. But even if it's only 10% in one direction for one and 10% in the other direction for the other, you end up with enough of an impact that it should at least be considered when looking at the HBO & SHO numbers.


Okay, so here are some reasons why the impact for boxing on a premium network would be much larger than a mainstream sporting event with huge casual appeal on ESPN.

If you're out of town, at a friends house, staying with your girlfriend, etc, there's a very good chance wherever you are, they have ESPN. The numbers suggest there's a very very good chance there will be ESPN where you are.

On the other hand, there is a very good chance there WON'T be Showtime wherever you are. So if you're going out of town, to a friends house, staying with a girlfriend, etc, you'll probably need to bring a device with you, or login to your Showtime account on a device wherever you are in order to watch the fight. This is why it's so crucial that Showtime allows live streaming on their app.

But let's take it a step further. You can't subscribe to ESPN as a standalone app. You have to get it through cable or satellite. The chances of watching ESPN in a way Nielsen counts is very very high.

On the other hand, many people subscribe directly to Showtime for $8.99 with no middle man, or add Showtime on to their Amazon account, Hulu account, or a variety of other options. There is less incentive to subscribe directly through your cable or satellite, especially since you can get the live fights on the app. If you're a boxing fan, it would be ****** to subscribe directly through HBO if they block live viewing, but since Showtime allows it, there's no reason to subscribe in a way Nielsen counts.

So that is a big factor you're overlooking here.

Also, boxing is a niche sport with a hardcore dedicated fanbase. The type of person who subscribes to a premium channel for fights is very different from the type of person who tunes into one or two football games a year on ESPN when it's a huge thing everyone is watching. Those 1.5 million ESPN streamers are not the casual audience who just shows up for the national championship. So that inflated 27 million skews the percentage of those who stream. Find a game with half the ratings and the streaming doesn't cut in half.

So the type of hardcore fans more likely to stream is the same type of person more likely to subscribe to Showtime. And since you can subscribe directly to Showtime, which you can't do with ESPN, it stands to reason that a much larger percentage are watching SHO fights via app than our watching a huge major national championship game with massive casual viewership on ESPN.

u are wrong again with your thinking. Man did you go to school? Let’s of people like me watch espn on my iPad because I just don’t want to watch my tv. I’m in a hotel or in bed or doing toe things at once.

The Espn app is not counted in the Nielsen ratings. Neither is ESPN Deportes. So especially when a Hispanic fighter like ray Beltran or Gilberto Ramirez headline an espn card the numbers are probably close to double what Nielsen says. A lot of us Hispanics prefer to watch fights in our native tongue and since we are the boggest demographic in boxing it wouldn’t be a complete shock if those row cards really had ratings with over 1.5 million viewers.

The digital platform is very important to Espn. That’s why they are investing so heavy in it and specifically mentioned it when they announced their deal with top rank. I bet the amount of people watching showtime boxing on an app is more like 5%.

And by not having an app HBO is actually losing viewers because sometimes u just can’t watch at home. U are too busy.

So in my opinion both showtime and hbo numbers are slightly lower than the real number but that is because of the DVR. Not an app.

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Hindsight is 20/20. DSG is/was regarded by many to be the biggest draw of the division.

I'd love to know who thought that. Clearly Thurman is the biggest draw at welterweight in the PBC universe.

Garcia may have been the biggest draw before he lost, but, um, HE LOST! Thurman is the man now. Spence is the heir apparent.

Heading into the fights it was very clear Spence-Peterson had more buzz than Garcia-Rios.

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Its a great example. U don’t seem to get it. Just because u have the Channel doesn’t mean U choose NOT to stream it. I stream all the time even when I have the channel.

I get what you are saying though. You are saying a Gilberto Ramirez 800,000k rating really was over 2 million because it isn’t counting the people watching the fight on their app or counting the people especially is Hispanics watching on ESPN Deportes to hear it in our own language. U are saying we need to add at least one million views to all of the Espn ratings. That’s why Espn is pushing so much more content to their app. It’s growi exponentially even though people have the channel. I’m glad u cleared it up.

No, you don’t seem to get it. And it’s not that hard to understand.

Go back and read what I wrote. And maybe try to figure out why having another way to view a premium channel (as opposed to one more readily available) is paramount.

But I get it, you don’t want to have a conversation or understand. You just want ESPN or Top Rank to be right. And I can’t have a conversation with a man holding pom poms so carry on.

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I have no idea what you see in Adonis

I think he's a solid fighter. Nothing spectacular. But you may have noticed a theme through my posts that I defend fighters I believe have been victims of GB/RING/HBO propaganda campaigns.

Many of those fighters happen to be Haymon fighters. Which stands to reason. Haymon doesn't speak. So his fighters are the perfect target for these propaganda campaigns because they don't have somebody sticking up for them to expose the ruse. People think I have an allegiance to Haymon fighters. I don't. I have an allegiance to exposing the manipulation that takes place in boxing.

So when we look at Stevenson, the big knocks on him are that he supposedly ducked Kovalev. The facts clearly show this isn't true, but that doesn't matter. That was the HBO narrative and you can show people indisputable proof to the contrary and they just don't care.

That is my interest in Adonis. Plain and simple. A guy who was blatantly ducked, yet so many fans think of him as the ultimate ducker. It's fascinating really. But no, I'm not a fan of the guy or anything. What he did to those women is horrible. I'll be rooting for Badou Jack.

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I streamed it on the Showtime App like always, so I know my viewership isn't counted in these ratings. Nielsen ratings don't say much anymore, especially with cord cutters using streaming apps to watch live shows.

Is the app free or u gotta pay?

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garbage fights = garbage ratings.

Bingoooooooooo

[joeysoamazing]

Alexander vs ortiz pulls in 1,5 million... kind of puts things into perspective. So much for Garcia saying everybody wants to fight him because of high ratings.

Dude you are comparing Ortiz/Alexander on Fox (over the air Free TV) to a fight on a premium network that not everyone has. What a dumb dumb comment.

[joeysoamazing]

This fight started very late at around midnight ET. A ton of people were in bed when this started. I’m positive that affected the ratings.

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Maybe it was a bad idea putting on a pbc card on the same night on cable tv

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u are wrong again with your thinking. Man did you go to school?

Would be very eager to compare highest level of completed education if you're willing to place a large wager on it.

Let’s of people like me watch espn on my iPad because I just don’t want to watch my tv. I’m in a hotel or in bed or doing toe things at once.

Of course. But the discussion was whether the COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is a great representation of the percentage who do what you do. I contend that an event of that magnitude attracts so many casual viewers, that the percentage of legal streamers is smaller than the percentage would be for a different event. The other poster said only 5% legally streamed for that event. I believe we can logically conclude that the legal streaming number for Showtime Boxing would be higher than 5% then, due to the nature of each event and the type of viewers they'd attract.