Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia: I'd Rather Fight Errol Spence Than Lomachenko

[killakali]

If you truly believe that, you don't know Mikey at all. He is very serious about eventually moving to 147 to fight the top guys. He may be successful, he may get embarrassed, but he's sure as hell going to try unless he ends up struggling at 140.

If Spence is still at 147 by the time Mikey gets there, that's a fight Mikey wants. The problem with Crawford is that he isn't with Haymon. So a Crawford fight isn't realistic. But that's not Mikey's fault. It's Crawford's fault for having an exclusive promotional agreement with a promoter who doesn't work with the stable that has all the top welterweights.




No. He doesn't. He may get wrecked in those fights, but he doesn't know that. Great fighters have confidence that is completely delusional. It's part of what makes them so great. You have to dream it before you can be it.




That's not his fault. He was a 135 pound champion calling out a 154 pound champion and willing to fight at the full 154 pound limit. And he was deadly serious about it. He would have gladly taken the fight as a one and done. If he got destroyed, so be it. But he wasn't going to sign a long term exclusive promotional agreement with GB to get that fight when GB's roster is so thin.




You have the facts backwards. Mikey can't force Linares to fight him. Linares can force Mikey to fight him. For TWO YEARS, Linares has had a guaranteed title shot whenever he wants it. He just has to snap his fingers and go to purse bid. But Linares, over and over, even before Mikey won the title, chooses to duck and dodge.

Finally, the WBC is ordering a purse bid next month. Let's see which side ducks it. That will tell you all you need to know about who has been ducking this fight. It hasn't been Mikey.

And Arum isn’t a problem in making a mikey vs crawford fight. Stop with the lies. U know as well as I do that Arum works with other promoters if A. His guy is an overwhelming favorite or B. There is a ton of money to be made.

Crawford would be a huge favorite over Mikey and with good reason he beat him multiple times in the amateurs and is just a bigger fighter now.

Signing with Arum hasn’t been an impediment. Crawford has flight two Haymon guys, two Eddie Hearn guys, 50 Center Guy, a Gary Shaw guy etc.

Mikey signed with Haymon and immediately called out Loma Linares crawford. Guys he could have had if he didn’t sign with Haymon. That was his mistake. Haymon doesn’t have big money fights at 35 or 40.

Look at Jermall Charlo. There is a guy who can’t get big fights because he’s with the wrong promoter. He should sign with Golden Boy or Matchroom.

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if Spence offers mikey the fight in June or the fall I bet u 10k mikey ****s the offer saying the money wasn’t right. He isn’t serious about fighting Spence. I can get him the Charlo Lara or Hurd fight right now.

Spence has been ordered to fight a mandatory next. But even if Spence was available, obviously Mikey wouldn't take that fight this year. He would need more time to acclimate to a weight class that high. Mikey's already said he wants to unify with Linares after the Lipinets fight.

Mikey is very serious about fighting the best Haymon has to offer at 147 once he gets to 147. If that's Spence, then that's Spence. If Spence isn't there anymore, it'll be someone else. But the point is that Mikey does want to go to 147 in a year or two and will want the big dogs so he can make the big money.

Charlo, Lara and Hurd are ludicrous fights. Mikey only considered 154 for Cotto because he saw something in Cotto he thought he could exploit. The fact that Cotto lost to Ali makes me willing to consider the possibility that Mikey could have won that fight. We'll never know. But Mikey isn't crazy. There's nothing else he'd move to 154 for other than maybe something unlikely like flight coming out of retirement, Canelo moving back down, etc. Mikey's not going to 154 for a Lara or Hurd. It would have to be to fight a legend.

U talk to his camp regularly? I just revealed yourself. Hi ellie Seckbach.

I will never confirm nor deny who I am. But just because I'm ***ish doesn't automatically mean I'm Elie.

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And Arum isn’t a problem in making a mikey vs crawford fight. Stop with the lies. U know as well as I do that Arum works with other promoters if A. His guy is an overwhelming favorite or B. There is a ton of money to be made.

Crawford wouldn't be an overwhelming favorite and there isn't a ton of money to be made.

It'd be a big fight for each of them, but not big enough to bridge the Haymon/Arum/SHO/ESPN divide.

I asked someone recently to name the last time a Bob A-side faced an Al A-side in a non-mandatory fight. They said Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

So I'll ask you, when was the last time a Bob A-Side faced an Al A-side in a non-PPV, non-mandatory fight?

It just doesn't happen.

Crawford would be a huge favorite over Mikey and with good reason he beat him multiple times in the amateurs and is just a bigger fighter now.

Crawford would be a clear favorite, but not a huge favorite. It's still not worth the risk to Arum. Look at his stable. Once Pacquiao retires, he literally has Loma & Crawford and that's it and neither of them are hugely popular. They're just hugely talented. He's got no opponents for them. Arum is hanging on by a thread and has to be very very careful. If he can hold on long enough, he'll have a new crop benefiting from the ESPN exposure, just as Haymon's new crop benefited from the NBC/CBS/ESPN exposure. But Arum can't afford to risk Crawford against a Haymon A-Side with no options or rematch clause. Even if Crawford was a 5 to 1 favorite, it still wouldn't be worth the risk.

Signing with Arum hasn’t been an impediment. Crawford has flight two Haymon guys, two Eddie Hearn guys, 50 Center Guy, a Gary Shaw guy etc.

You're being pedantic. Crawford has fought irrelevant Haymon fighters that Haymon was happy to get a fight on somebody else's dime. They were brought in to be opponents. Plain and simple.

Crawford has never fought a Haymon guy that mattered.

Mikey signed with Haymon and immediately called out Loma Linares crawford. Guys he could have had if he didn’t sign with Haymon. That was his mistake. Haymon doesn’t have big money fights at 35 or 40.

He would have been paid **** though. Which is why he left. Haymon controls two belts at 135, two belts at 140 and three belts at 147. Mikey has far more options than he'd have with WBOB Arum.

Look at Jermall Charlo. There is a guy who can’t get big fights because he’s with the wrong promoter. He should sign with Golden Boy or Matchroom.

Jermall just moved up to a weight class Haymon doesn't control, so the route won't be as quick or as easy. But Jermall is already the mandatory to the GGG/Canelo winner and likely gets a belt faster than Danny Jacobs will.

And once GGG outgrows the weight class or loses, and the belts become splintered, Haymon will continue to grow like a fungus and slowly take over 160 the way he's taken over 154 and 147.

[richardt]

If Mikey fights Spence, he has a set of balls the size of basketballs!!

[GFunk23]

I heard the reason it didn’t happen is because Golden Boy wanted options on Mikey’s next two fights. That’s not ducking.

[killakali]

Spence has been ordered to fight a mandatory next. But even if Spence was available, obviously Mikey wouldn't take that fight this year. He would need more time to acclimate to a weight class that high. Mikey's already said he wants to unify with Linares after the Lipinets fight.

Mikey is very serious about fighting the best Haymon has to offer at 147 once he gets to 147. If that's Spence, then that's Spence. If Spence isn't there anymore, it'll be someone else. But the point is that Mikey does want to go to 147 in a year or two and will want the big dogs so he can make the big money.

Charlo, Lara and Hurd are ludicrous fights. Mikey only considered 154 for Cotto because he saw something in Cotto he thought he could exploit. The fact that Cotto lost to Ali makes me willing to consider the possibility that Mikey could have won that fight. We'll never know. But Mikey isn't crazy. There's nothing else he'd move to 154 for other than maybe something unlikely like flight coming out of retirement, Canelo moving back down, etc. Mikey's not going to 154 for a Lara or Hurd. It would have to be to fight a legend.




I will never confirm nor deny who I am. But just because I'm ***ish doesn't automatically mean I'm Elie.

so u are admitting mikey just used Spence’s name just like crawford and Cotto. He knows in 18 months Spence is likely long gone from 147

[killakali]

Crawford wouldn't be an overwhelming favorite and there isn't a ton of money to be made.

It'd be a big fight for each of them, but not big enough to bridge the Haymon/Arum/SHO/ESPN divide.

I asked someone recently to name the last time a Bob A-side faced an Al A-side in a non-mandatory fight. They said Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

So I'll ask you, when was the last time a Bob A-Side faced an Al A-side in a non-PPV, non-mandatory fight?

It just doesn't happen.




Crawford would be a clear favorite, but not a huge favorite. It's still not worth the risk to Arum. Look at his stable. Once Pacquiao retires, he literally has Loma & Crawford and that's it and neither of them are hugely popular. They're just hugely talented. He's got no opponents for them. Arum is hanging on by a thread and has to be very very careful. If he can hold on long enough, he'll have a new crop benefiting from the ESPN exposure, just as Haymon's new crop benefited from the NBC/CBS/ESPN exposure. But Arum can't afford to risk Crawford against a Haymon A-Side with no options or rematch clause. Even if Crawford was a 5 to 1 favorite, it still wouldn't be worth the risk.




You're being pedantic. Crawford has fought irrelevant Haymon fighters that Haymon was happy to get a fight on somebody else's dime. They were brought in to be opponents. Plain and simple.

Crawford has never fought a Haymon guy that mattered.




He would have been paid **** though. Which is why he left. Haymon controls two belts at 135, two belts at 140 and three belts at 147. Mikey has far more options than he'd have with WBOB Arum.




Jermall just moved up to a weight class Haymon doesn't control, so the route won't be as quick or as easy. But Jermall is already the mandatory to the GGG/Canelo winner and likely gets a belt faster than Danny Jacobs will.

And once GGG outgrows the weight class or loses, and the belts become splintered, Haymon will continue to grow like a fungus and slowly take over 160 the way he's taken over 154 and 147.

Crawford would be a -500 or -600 favorite. Jermall is a mandatory for a belt he won’t fight for a long time. The WBC is good at that and does t want to push GGG away. Even if Charlo got the belt t would only be one and he would have no opponents.

His growing like “a fungus” means his guys from 54 would be moving up and weakening his position there.

We already see a WBC title doubleheader on ESPN on March 17th. Once Gvozdyk wins Stevenson’s position will be very tenuous. If jack who is not with Haymon beats him, he will dump the belt before fighting Gvozdyk and then Haymon won’t have anything at 175. And if adonis wins there is a big possibility at 31 years old Gvozdyk knocks him out and he still has nothing.

We already see Jamel herring leaving. Beterbiev is almost officially with top rank, danny Jacobs and Khan are gone and there are a few other guys getting close to moving on to different promoters. Add that to Lee Selby leaving and the pbc grip is loosening and not tightening.

I wouldn’t underestimate top rank. They are reloading. Valdez and Jose and Gilberto Ramirez have big fights coming up. They have the WBO 140 pound ratings set up. They have locked up almost all of the Puerto Rican and Filipino talent too plus took most of the stars from the 2016 Olympic class

[GFunk23]

so u are admitting mikey just used Spence’s name just like crawford and Cotto. He knows in 18 months Spence is likely long gone from 147

Mikey didn’t use Cotto’s name. He saw an aging guy about to retire and thought he could win. I think he wanted the fight but wasn’t about to sign with Golden Boy after his long battle with Top Rank

[Raonic]

Mikey talks too much for such a talented guy. He just goes for the money and will fight a lower tier fighter to do so.

[killakali]

Mikey didn’t use Cotto’s name. He saw an aging guy about to retire and thought he could win. I think he wanted the fight but wasn’t about to sign with Golden Boy after his long battle with Top Rank

Mikey has used Linares cotto Loma Crawford and now Spence name. He knows he needs to give options to get big fights.

If he didn’t sign with Haymon he wouldn’t be getting Lipinets right now.