Hatton's victory over Tszyu, how great is it now?

[Abe Attell]

You think having the arena hot would help Hatton? Do you know anything about white European fighters and heat? There's no way Hatton would have been in anyway prepared to fight in hot conditions training for a 2am fight in Northern England, and he would be at a disadvantage in any arena that was hot, aka Mcguigan.

This thread is manky stale. Hattons win over Tszyu was a great victory. He got his tactics spot on and outwilled KT. However, that is Hattons only win over a A or B level fighter (on my definitions) and he hasn't looked anywhere near as good since, struggling to get off his shots and not showing quite the strength and stamina he had previously against Collazo.

But the Tszyu win was exceptional, because anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that Tszyu was an exceptional boxer.

You do realize that Hatton trains in what the call a "Sweat box"...Ricky is used to it; people adapt to the environment.

Tszyu is ****ing Russian, so according to your logic, there is no way he should even be able to fight in any temperature over 32 degrees.

Tszyu "WAS" a great fighter, but at this point in his career, like Frank Warren said, "We got Tszyu at the RIGHT TIME"


Take a 35 year old fighter, Russian , who has only fought 9 rounds in 3 years, now fighting a pressure fighter in a hot environment, who you got?
This was the first time I had ever seen Tszyu sweating this badly just walking down to the ring... he was probably dehydrated by the time he stepped into the ring...it is bad enough he had trouble making weight.

[Abe Attell]

we are, as a whole a bit too hard on hatton, seems like the hatton fans and brits are always back on their heels defending the guy.

I had absolutely no hate towards Ricky before the Tszyu fight; I was actually a big fan. I wouldn't even call it hate as much as I would call it disappointment.

I wanted to see an honest win: even with Tszyu's inactivity, and age, if Hatton would of just boxed, without all the other crap, I would of felt much better...this is what I was expected to see, so maybe seeing Hatton fight this way, for the first time in his career, pissed me off because I was upset.
It is not even so much of Ricky as it is his trainer, who I bet told Ricky what and how to beat Tszyu in such a way, since it was the only way...notice, I very tired Tszyu, in the mid-late rounds, when Ricky was finally starting to "Box" was not looking so good anymore; getting tagged by the left hook from Tszyu, causing clinching. It makes you think, if there was no grappling, even with all the negatives going against Tszyu, who would of won.

[Abe Attell]

Hatton made him quit like a little girl with three minutes to go. Kostya Tszyu never mentioned getting back in the ring with anyone who beat him. That's what I don't like about him. Good win for Hatton.
Why is it wrong to judge Hatton based on his last three performances? Those were the best people he fought his entire career. Why judge him based on what he did years ago against plumbers and retired ****stars?

Yes, agree, Kostya has never fought the two fighters that he lost to, which is shot at his career.
Even if Phillips lost soon after, he still should of went after him, no matter what people would say.
For the Hatton loss, I could see at 35 years of age, living the good life, having people tell you to retire, that you would have second thoughts, but still, you lost, and in a bad way; if it is about your health, take a year off, go to the Doctors to see if you are fully recovered, then go train for a couple of months to see where you are at physically and mentally, then make the decision.

I also don't like the fact that when Oscar, Shane, Vernon, and Tito, were at 147, he didn't move up...talk about MONEY and LEGACY fights, there they were.

[Invader_Stu]

I am a big KT fan (obviously) and I have nothing for credit to give to Hatton.

He may have held a little, and the low blow was pretty ****ed, but he did what he had to to win. Some holding is allowed and thats what he did. KT looked sluggish as all hell, but Hatton won the fight.

I dont mind seeing KT get old and slow, beaten by an up-and-comer. What really ****ed me around was the fact that he didnt fight out the 12 rounds. That is plain weak. Down on the cards, down on hits, who gives a **** - this is boxing. Any second of any round you could land a perfect punch and win the fight. I give him no credit for quitting. Thats not hunger to win, its self-defeat.

[jack_the_rippuh]

acually he's said on his own forums that if he comes back then he would like it to be at 147 against hatton. why don't you compare yourself to kostya tszyu before you compare him to a girl because i'm willing to bet he's been through a **** load more than you ever will, keyboard champion.

Negative.
I been through way more than Kostya.
Anyway, To get back on subject. In my opinion, Kostya was a good fighter, maybe even a very good fighter, but not a great one.
Great fighters do great things. He could've moved to 147lbs. and challenged one of the good guys there when it was booming, he could've shown the heart of a great champion and rematch the people he's been STOPPED by. He chose not to. He probably knew his limitations. He's good, but he ain't great.

[TheEvilSaint]

i compare hatton's victory over tszyu to be just like marciano's victory over louis. yes, hatton/marciano beat a legend, but the legend was nowhere near what he used to be.

[maxorido]

Negative.
I been through way more than Kostya.
Anyway, To get back on subject. In my opinion, Kostya was a good fighter, maybe even a very good fighter, but not a great one.
Great fighters do great things. He could've moved to 147lbs. and challenged one of the good guys there when it was booming, he could've shown the heart of a great champion and rematch the people he's been STOPPED by. He chose not to. He probably knew his limitations. He's good, but he ain't great.

well i don't know you so i'm not going to comment on your statement that you've been through more than him. i don't like the fact that you call a champion like kostya tszyu, who has class and even said he would go for a rematch with hatton if he were to come back (which disproves your statement that tszyu never mentioned a rematch with the fighters he's lost to)a girl. any man who gets to the point of being a unified world champion, a humble one, shouldn't have his manhood questioned. even if his trainer pulls him out of a hard fight at the end of his career and he doesn't show any signs of protesting the stoppage.

[Abe Attell]

i compare hatton's victory over tszyu to be just like marciano's victory over louis. yes, hatton/marciano beat a legend, but the legend was nowhere near what he used to be.

I don't think Tszyu was actually "Shot", like Louis, so maybe more like Ali, who rotted away a bit from time off, not being the same as he once was, going into the fight with an active, hungry, Joe Frazier...of course not comparing Ali and Joe to Tszyu and Hatton, but similar in some ways.

I still give Hatton credit...many people counted him out, but he believed in himself, knew the true circumstance of the fight, and pushed himself to victory.