Comments Thread For: Where Does Roy Jones Belong On The List Of Greatest Boxers?

[McNulty]

tyson is a curious case because according to his diehard supporters none of his losses count lol.. i mean in his absolute prime the man got KO'd by a 42-1 underdog BUM. but hey i know he didn't train right, was ****ing too many hookers in japan blah blah.. and its common knowledge tyson was petrified of 41 year old george foreman in 1990-1991. the douglass loss not only tarnish tyson it finished him for good. he never regained his footing as the best heavyweight ever again. his "prime" lasted maybe two years of careful matchmaking. in terms of impact and excitement tyson is top 3. in terms of resume not even top 30.

First of all, Tyson knocked Douglas out with an uppercut.



I don't care if the ref fůcked up or not, it happened. Douglas was still on the canvas (laying down) at the count of 10.

Douglas fought his áss off that night too. Mom just died and Buster was in raw form.

Tyson was never scared of Foreman lol. Foreman turned down a 5 million dollar contract that Tyson signed.



He probably priced himself out like Bowe did with Lewis (Bowe wanted 90% of a 32 million dollar purse).

In case you forgot man, Alex Stewart tores Foreman's áss up! Yea, there was a few knockdowns but at least one was a push. Doesn't matter, Stewart got up a bunch to kick áss. Boxrec won't open but I'm pretty sure Stewart got stopped in the 1st round by Tyson. Foreman was bubbled!



There is an old rumor of Cus telling Mike to never fight George was embellished so don't even reach for it!

D'Amato told Mike when he was watching old tapes with him that Foreman was too big too strong for swarm fighters/brawlers like Frazier and Marciano. Cus never told Tyson to avoid him, nor did he ever tell him that he wouldn’t beat him. Foreman is literally tailor made for Tyson.

Tyson stops Foreman under 4 rounds via Nestea Plunge.

[P4Pdunny]

definately top 5

[JLC]

Hi JLC

I'm not saying RJJ was not the best in his era in his prime he was for a while he definitely belongs in HOF.

ALL I'm saying is his not a ATG for me you have to look at his whole career and that's his Prime and end career, sadly he did not walk away. The Ali and SRL knew when to walk away so just the blemishes at the end doesn't mean they aren't a ATG. when Roy started to decline and still fought on to be stopped by a shot Maccrinelli he erased himself from a ATG. that's my take I will not decide his status as a ATG the powers that be will, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me but make your own mind up. Let's see where the powers that be rate him it will be interesting.

I respect your opinion.

I think if he had fought some more big names, maybe a rematch w Hopkins earlier, maybe fights w the big name UK fighters like Benn, or Eubank, or even fighting the Michaelwezeski guy that had the wbo at light heavy would have cemented him as an ATG. Admittedly I wasn’t a huge boxing fan in the 90s so I missed his era, as well as the climate, politics, and the feel for some of the fighters I mentioned. Maybe they weren’t making enough noise at the time for Roy to bother with them. Maybe they were already washed up. I can’t say. ( if anyone has any info on why a Roy v Eubank/Benn fight didn’t happen I’d love to hear it. Was it talked about at all back then ? )


He was an ATG talent no doubt. He had excellent accomplishments for sure. He was dominant indeed. The lack of opposition is the ONLY thing that hurts him from my perspective. Even then he was WILDLY popular so I’m not mad at anyone who considers him an ATG. He passes the eye test.

[Tom Cruise]

He didnt win the HW title. He started at 154 and won a belt against a contender. Great achievement but not unique.

Mickey Walker for example started at WW (first recorded weight 139lbs) and beat HW contenders. Archie Moore also off the top of my head. Sam Langford.

I cant see RJJ making top 10s, even despite his freakish ability. H2H, he would have been formidable. But I dont think anyone really goes into H2H when doing these lists, and if they do, they shouldnt.

His resume, while better than some try to paint it, wasn't on the level of those guys in the top10.

[Tom Cruise]

definately top 5

Robinson
Grebb
Langford
Armstrong
Charles

??

You reckon Roy fits in with those guys in terms of greatness?

[Butt stuff]

Ummmm no! Nice try. SRR did way more than Roy!

Wasn't trying anything, just showed how his logic applies to other ATGs. That simple.

[A-Wolf]

What a joke.

Are you telling me that his reflexes didn't diminish?

You're ****ing right I am. Emanuel Steward was commenting how Tarver was having trouble with Roy's footspeed and handspeed only minutes before he was knocked out in the second fight. When asked again after the fight Steward said he saw no signs of Roy being diminished and that Tarver simply "had his number."

[A-Wolf]

Absolute nonsense.

Tarver did take his confidence, but he was 35 at that point, and he'd had 50 fights across 5 weight classes, which included going up to HW and back. His unorthadox style was based around his incredible athleticism.

Looking back with hindsight, Roy had 2 choices:

1. Either retire early.

2. Adapt his style to compensate for his age.

He did neither and paid the price.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're just making **** up.

Did Naseem Hamed become "shot" at 28 years old after Barrera took his soul???

Have you seen the Calvo fight??? He didn't even look like the same guy after his confidence got snatched. He was slow AF.. You people don't seem to understand the faintest thing about athletes and sports psychology..

[Tom Cruise]

You're ****ing right I am. Emanuel Steward was commenting how Tarver was having trouble with Roy's footspeed and handspeed only minutes before he was knocked out in the second fight. When asked again after the fight Steward said he saw no signs of Roy being diminished and that Tarver simply "had his number."

I would never say Roy was prime in that fight, but he still looked great in the first few rounds. Tarver deserves credit for never panicking, keeping his eyes on the prize and seeing the openings in the face of all that hand and foot speed.

[hugh grant]

The lists mentioned had him around 30 sometimes to 40 something, which for me, is about right.

I think if ESPN were to do that list again, they would def have Mayweather higher, Morales and Tyson should be higher too and Pac should obviously be on there very high. Taking into account Jones entire career, he should be 49/50.

I don't think Floyd or Tyson as high as rjj.
Rjj went to heavyweight and won title. That must have taken something out of him. So should be forgiven even if he was to lose every fight after sacrificing his boidy to get the title at heavyweight.
You must be rewarded for taking risks. Which rjjj did. He dared to believe. Same thing if Floyd beat GGG at 160. People would be easy on Floyd if he stepped back down to 147 and lost his next fights. Winning 160 title is what people would applaud