Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua vs. Joseph Parker To Air Live on Showtime

[Deus]

Hahahahah you ****ing ******, that article is literally him going from 50/50 to 60/40. 60/40 was never mentioned before that article. He'd always mentioned 50/50 before that.

Were you under the impression the fight had never been discussed before that article? Where were you?

Comprehension an issue for you? That article is Higgins response to Joshua’s tweet that he was yet to receive any offer and in that very article Higgins stated that he would be sending an offer at 60-40 in Joshua’s favour.

Hence 60-40 was Higgins first offer and thus their starting point. Pretty sure you’ll argue that point though, even though you are wrong.

[Redgloveman]

Did you even read the ****ing article you posted?!?

The starting point is 50-50.

Seems this was the first time instance we can find of Higgins making any kind of offer, given Joshua's tweet.

Higgins saying

"the starting point is 50-50 BUT I'm willing to move to 60-40" (I'm paraphrasing)

can't seriously be considered an actual offer of 50-50, so much as a means of appearing to make a concession before the negotiations have started, which is intended to suggest that the offer should not move (far) from it's current point (60-40).

Unless you can evidence an instance of Higgins making a genuine demand of 50-50 then you need to concede the point. Calling people '******' etc. only serves to weaken your argument, you'd be better off just showing this evidence that you apparently have

("He'd always mentioned 50/50 before that", to use your words)

[Bonduu]

I'm truly shocked that showtime ( Deontays Network ) is willing to air another mismatchroom/Sky/Joshua fight considering the horrible numbers hes been averaging despite beating Klitsckho in the FOTY

: Joshua-Martin averages 275K, Joshua-Takam 300K+ ; now you compare that to Deontay vs. Bermane Stiverne II that did 800K -- a fight nobody wanted to see...well you got to agree that Joshua is a nobody here in America and really is costing Showtime money, but Deontay is keeping this company afloat delivering close to a million viewers each time THE REAL HW champion of the world fights.

Hey champ, bronze bummer, is that you bro? Coming outta the closet are you?

[N/A]

Seems this was the first time instance we can find of Higgins making any kind of offer, given Joshua's tweet.

False, Higgins had mentioned 50/50 before. That article was him stepping off of 50/50 for the first time.

[N/A]

Comprehension an issue for you? That article is Higgins response to Joshua’s tweet that he was yet to receive any offer

AJ had never been given a formal offer, but 50/50 was the Higgins position in interviews until reducing to 60/40 in that article.

[Redgloveman]

False, Higgins had mentioned 50/50 before. That article was him stepping off of 50/50 for the first time.

I'll return to what I wrote before in case it didn't sink in

Unless you can evidence an instance of Higgins making a genuine demand of 50-50 then you need to concede the point. Calling people '******' etc. only serves to weaken your argument, you'd be better off just showing this evidence that you apparently have

The idea that you can just write "False" as an argument to support your position in lieu of providing evidence that you've been asked for is intellectually feeble.

The truth is only a link away and I'll be happy to be proved wrong if I see some evidence.

If you don't post one then the only thing I can really assume is that there is no evidence to support your position (i.e. you're making things up) and I can stop taking your opinion seriously when I see you writing on these boards.

[Just looking]

Seems this was the first time instance we can find of Higgins making any kind of offer, given Joshua's tweet.

Higgins saying

"the starting point is 50-50 BUT I'm willing to move to 60-40" (I'm paraphrasing)

can't seriously be considered an actual offer of 50-50, so much as a means of appearing to make a concession before the negotiations have started, which is intended to suggest that the offer should not move (far) from it's current point (60-40).

Unless you can evidence an instance of Higgins making a genuine demand of 50-50 then you need to concede the point. Calling people '******' etc. only serves to weaken your argument, you'd be better off just showing this evidence that you apparently have

("He'd always mentioned 50/50 before that", to use your words)

And when did Wilder make an offer? He said 50/50 in a random interview. Well, different weight, different measurement I guess

[Just looking]

Just another hint to the big fight coming late this year

[JRB123]

Joshua-Martin averages 275K, Joshua-Takam 300K+ ; now you compare that to Deontay vs. Bermane Stiverne II that did 800K -- a fight nobody wanted to see...well you got to agree that Joshua is a nobody here in America and really is costing Showtime money, but Deontay is keeping this company afloat delivering close to a million viewers each time THE REAL HW champion of the world fights.

LMAO you serious? Joshua's live fights are on around 5PM in the afternoon in the east coast. That's not like having it on at 10PM or 11PM in the east coast. This is commonplace with all UK fights shown in the US. Have Wilder in a fight in Alabama around 5PM eastern and see what happens.

Wilder wouldn't be crying about his popularity if Joshua was a nobody

[Redgloveman]

And when did Wilder make an offer? He said 50/50 in a random interview. Well, different weight, different measurement I guess

Google: "Wilder Joshua 50 50"

and you'll find a large number of articles about this. Hearn has also said numerous times that Wilder has made it clear that he will only accept 50-50, including in meetings with Finkel and Haymon (see the last article on the list)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2017/12/04/deontay-wilders-50-50-ultimatum-to-anthony-joshua-looks-like-a-classic-ducking-tactic/#4285fc9e62d2

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/anthony-joshua-vs-deontay-wilder-fight-when-where-odds-champion-las-vegas-wembley-a8092351.html

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_...ay-equal-split

http://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-promoter-wilder-delusional-with-50-50-demand--124476

Finkel and Haymon Article
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_...ys-eddie-hearn

So that remark got a lot of publicity, but Wilder has not come out since to rebut these articles, as he would have done had he felt they weren't correct. It seems pretty clear from the language Wilder's using, he's not just throwing a figure out there, he's demanding that the fight should be 50 50 or not happen - this is why the first article mentions that it looks like a duck.

I think it's a bit early to say that, personally, but still, it doesn't sound like something that he just mentioned off-hand, it's a clear policy to demand 50-50 which is not something that Higgins ever did. (At least to my knowledge: still waiting on the other poster to post his evidence)

Contrast this with the search that substitutes the word "Wilder" for "Parker" and there's no such mention of Parker making similar demands at any point, which is what the original argument is about.