Comments Thread For: Bellew: I'm Disgusted - Drug Cheats Must Be Banned For Life!

[pissingblood]

Do research. This is common knowledge, people create new versions that the testing has no way of being able to detect. It takes the testing agencies time to figure this out. Go listen to Victor conte speak on it or other people who's are in the business

Yeah I don't doubt it, I just wonder how accessible they are to say your average professional athlete. Although the testing agencies have a constant uphill battle they still have substantial resources backing them, so you wonder how big these illegal chemist operations are and how much they charge.

[Johnston]

Yeah I don't doubt it, I just wonder how accessible they are to say your average professional athlete. Although the testing agencies have a constant uphill battle they still have substantial resources backing them, so you wonder how big these illegal chemist operations are and how much they charge.

One of the years Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France, I think from memory after they stripped him of his title they had to go back and award it to the guy that came 7th because places 2-6 had already been done for peds.

Not naming any names but I use this same logic when I see certain athletes, particularly in sports based on pure athletic ability (unlike boxing where a smart clean fighter can easily beat a dirty fighter) where they are beating and have consistently been beating known drug cheats. Su****ious as ****.

Yea,more of the top guys are usually the one's with access to the people and more advanced new age peds. So it's not like all pro boxers or athlete's, but the one's with the resources. And no matter how hard they try the anti doping agencies will always be a little behind because how could they know what's coming out, so like you said they're fighting an uphill battle.

Lol and the whole sport of cycling is on peds so that's to be expected, I'm surprised they only had to go to the 7th and not the 50th. That sport is dirty as hell.

To your last part, it's really hard to say in those situations because some guys are just physically superior to others. And the guys with a ped history could be off them which causes your body to lose testosterone because your body was getting in artificially. But I feel you, some guys are very suspect.

[Eff Pandas]

At the end of the day it's the athlete's responsibility to know what they are putting into their body. Tainted meat, tainted supplements, whatever it's all bull**** and has to be the athlete's responsibility. If you start excusing guys because of ignorance people are just going to keep manipulating the system.

Its a reality like it or not. And it costs 5k+ to test a supplement for PEDs.

Most boxers don't even make 5k for a fight. How is that guy testing his supplements + paying his bills? This isn't a easy sport. Supplements are going to be needed.

[P4Pdunny]

full agreement here

[Ray*]

Totally agree with Bellew here, it really does irritate me when some gets a pass. They should be ban for life. Povetkin as an example, Mosley who was on a PED etc people like those should be ban for life, they went after something designed to cheat.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I agree with Bellew. And certainly give him credit for taking the high road when so many are endangering their opponents' and their own lives with PED use, and robbing the fans of outcomes we can trust.

There will always be PED use, but I think the alphabet soup sanctioning gangs are a huge part of the problem. Boxing needs something like what the UFC has (never thought I'd say that) with USADA. These blood testing negotiations really make part of the contest who can cheat the best and negotiate terms the most sneakily. And that is hurting the sport when it is experiencing a terrific resurgence.

The lifetime bans would certainly help, but there is so much weird grey area with drug testing: non-PED drugs creating gals positives, natural hormone variations, tainted samples, corruption, so on and so forth. Thus I'd hesitate to say, just ban 'em all, no questions asked. But the penalties need to be stiffer and enforced by a unified group of sanctioning bodies.

This is the 21st century. There exists no such as a 100% clean and a natural athlete in a world that is more than 50% unnatural and unclean.

What constitutes as a legal / illegal performance enhancing drug is totally subjective. Certain illegal drugs are less beneficial than legal drugs.

You can't ban 100% of all performance enhancing drug in the 21st century that is as artificial as it is. In order to achieve this goal, the world has to be converted back to how it was during the stone ages where athletes give up on using any of the 21st century chemical and medical technology for improving their lives. that means, no pain killers, no paracetamols and none of those other chemicals for consumption. As even those things can be classified as 'performance enhancing drugs'.

You see, this idea is totally ******ed! If boxing were to ban every athlete that was consuming performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century, then the sport of boxing simply wouldn't even exist any longer.

The ones who are banned or penalized for performance enhancing drugs are ALWAYS the B side boxers who are usually fatter and less muscular whilst the boxers who never get penalized are the A side boxers who are usually more muscular and have less fat. In other words, drug testing is simply a scam.

Telling a 21st century athlete to not use performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century is like telling a 21st century formula 1 driver that they aren't allowed to use 21st century car technology during competition. It makes absolutely no sense! How can any athlete today, especially at the top level be 100% clean / natural in a world that is as artificial / unnatural as it is today? We're not living during the spartan era anymore. There is no need to ban performance enhancing drugs. Rather, performance enhancing drugs should be allowed by any athlete.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Totally agree with Bellew here, it really does irritate me when some gets a pass. They should be ban for life. Povetkin as an example, Mosley who was on a PED etc people like those should be ban for life, they went after something designed to cheat.

This is the 21st century. There exists no such as a 100% clean and a natural athlete in a world that is more than 50% unnatural and unclean.

What constitutes as a legal / illegal performance enhancing drug is totally subjective. Certain illegal drugs are less beneficial than legal drugs.

You can't ban 100% of all performance enhancing drug in the 21st century that is as artificial as it is. In order to achieve this goal, the world has to be converted back to how it was during the stone ages where athletes give up on using any of the 21st century chemical and medical technology for improving their lives. that means, no pain killers, no paracetamols and none of those other chemicals for consumption. As even those things can be classified as 'performance enhancing drugs'.

You see, this idea is totally ******ed! If boxing were to ban every athlete that was consuming performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century, then the sport of boxing simply wouldn't even exist any longer.

The ones who are banned or penalized for performance enhancing drugs are ALWAYS the B side boxers who are usually fatter and less muscular whilst the boxers who never get penalized are the A side boxers who are usually more muscular and have less fat. In other words, drug testing is simply a scam.

Telling a 21st century athlete to not use performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century is like telling a 21st century formula 1 driver that they aren't allowed to use 21st century car technology during competition. It makes absolutely no sense! How can any athlete today, especially at the top level be 100% clean / natural in a world that is as artificial / unnatural as it is today? We're not living during the spartan era anymore. There is no need to ban performance enhancing drugs. Rather, performance enhancing drugs should be allowed by any athlete.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Yea,more of the top guys are usually the one's with access to the people and more advanced new age peds. So it's not like all pro boxers or athlete's, but the one's with the resources. And no matter how hard they try the anti doping agencies will always be a little behind because how could they know what's coming out, so like you said they're fighting an uphill battle.

Lol and the whole sport of cycling is on peds so that's to be expected, I'm surprised they only had to go to the 7th and not the 50th. That sport is dirty as hell.

To your last part, it's really hard to say in those situations because some guys are just physically superior to others. And the guys with a ped history could be off them which causes your body to lose testosterone because your body was getting in artificially. But I feel you, some guys are very suspect.

This is the 21st century. There exists no such as a 100% clean and a natural athlete in a world that is more than 50% unnatural and unclean.

What constitutes as a legal / illegal performance enhancing drug is totally subjective. Certain illegal drugs are less beneficial than legal drugs.

You can't ban 100% of all performance enhancing drug in the 21st century that is as artificial as it is. In order to achieve this goal, the world has to be converted back to how it was during the stone ages where athletes give up on using any of the 21st century chemical and medical technology for improving their lives. that means, no pain killers, no paracetamols and none of those other chemicals for consumption. As even those things can be classified as 'performance enhancing drugs'.

You see, this idea is totally ******ed! If boxing were to ban every athlete that was consuming performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century, then the sport of boxing simply wouldn't even exist any longer.

The ones who are banned or penalized for performance enhancing drugs are ALWAYS the B side boxers who are usually fatter and less muscular whilst the boxers who never get penalized are the A side boxers who are usually more muscular and have less fat. In other words, drug testing is simply a scam.

Telling a 21st century athlete to not use performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century is like telling a 21st century formula 1 driver that they aren't allowed to use 21st century car technology during competition. It makes absolutely no sense! How can any athlete today, especially at the top level be 100% clean / natural in a world that is as artificial / unnatural as it is today? We're not living during the spartan era anymore. There is no need to ban performance enhancing drugs. Rather, performance enhancing drugs should be allowed by any athlete.

[Ray*]

This is the 21st century. There exists no such as a 100% clean and a natural athlete in a world that is more than 50% unnatural and unclean.

Totally disagree, there are athletes/boxers in this sport who are clean and all natural. Saying everyone is on something is insulting to those who are clean or trying to be 100% clean. They should be ban if or when caught period!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Totally disagree, there are athletes/boxers in this sport who are clean and all natural. Saying everyone is on something is insulting to those who are clean or trying to be 100% clean. They should be ban if or when caught period!

No, there really isn't. Especially at the top level. Unless they are living like how cavemen lived during the caveman era or how spartan lived during the spartan era when none of the medical / chemical technology that exists today, didn't exist during those eras.

What classifies as a legal or an illegal performance enhancing drug is TOTALLY subjective. A paracetamol for all intents and purposes, can be classified as a performance enhancing drug. So can caffeine. So unless you're insinuating there are athletes today, especially at the top level that aren't consuming any of those modern artificial chemicals, then they aren't 100% clean and 100% natural.