Phsycological effects of a "big loss"......?

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  • machotime
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    Phsycological effects of a "big loss"......?

    Throughout boxing history, many top prospects, and contenders have been put in the ring with very strong opponents. In many cases these prospects or contenders give a hell of an effort and succeed, or give an hell of an effort and fall short of victory (David Reid, Fernando Vargas, Meldrick Taylor, David Kamau, Edwin Rosario, William Joppy, Oba Carr, Mayorga, Mclellan just to name a few). Some suffered permanent damage, while others where just never the same fighters. Examples such as- Taylor's loss to Chavez which had a very strong negative physcological effect on Taylor's future, David Reid's loss to Tito in which he suffered a detached retina and was never the same, Vargas although attempted to perform his style after the Tito fight, was never the same, Gerald Mclellan we all know what happened to him in the Benn fight, Edwin Rosario was never the same fighter after JCC, Joppy never fought the same after Tito. (I also believe Mayorga was never going to be the same after the Tito fight)

    The phsycological effect that a "big" loss has on fighters, has historically caused devastating effetcs on fighters. This is usually accompanied by a beating that they recieve or a brave attempt to show the heart and determination that they have. But this bravery, many times to no avail, has proven to sometimes destroy boxers. So what is worth more, standing in the ring with a bigger more powerful, more experienced man, and being damaged possibly permanently... or throwing in the towel when it is appropriate?.....Is respect for one fight worth the devastation of an entire career?

    In the end, bravery can win you respect and appreciation, but as a professional, how far does that go?..... Will the latter generations look at the record of a fighter on paper, see a loss and respect it? Or will it just appear as a loss?.... Many have come back from losses, but not many have prevailed after a beating.
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    It's interesting how a bad loss affects people in different ways. The loss Joe Louis suffered at the hands of Max Schmelling obviously affected his career differently than Roy Jones losses to Tarver and Johnson. Some people become demoralized or at least much more cautious about being hit and some people take it as a challenge, learn from the loss and step up and even become better fighters.

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      Originally posted by jason100x
      It's interesting how a bad loss affects people in different ways. The loss Joe Louis suffered at the hands of Max Schmelling obviously affected his career differently than Roy Jones losses to Tarver and Johnson. Some people become demoralized or at least much more cautious about being hit and some people take it as a challenge, learn from the loss and step up and even become better fighters.
      Roy wasnt a top prospect when he lost to Tarver and Johnson though. His reflexes had receeded and he was clearly at the tail end of his career.

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      • Left2body
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        Yeah, its hard to judge how it will affect a guy. The effects sometimes aren't really seen till 2 fights down the road. Because usually after a big loss a fighter will take an easy tune up before going against good or elite talent again. Freitas took a bad loss to Corrales but he seems to be fine. Corrales took a bad loss to PBF but he came back as strong as ever. However we have to see how Corrales does in the future. He might have been damaged by fight 1 vs Castillo and the quick KO in fight 2 might have been due to the after effects of that....or it might've been the added weight of Castillo, thats a question that should've been answered in fight 3 but will have to wait to be answered in Corrales next big fight.

        One of the saddest big losses was for Meldrick Taylor when he got TKO'd by Chavez (which I think was robbery). Meldrick was never the same and you can see that he was seriously damaged that fight.

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          Originally posted by Left2body
          Yeah, its hard to judge how it will affect a guy. The effects sometimes aren't really seen till 2 fights down the road. Because usually after a big loss a fighter will take an easy tune up before going against good or elite talent again. Freitas took a bad loss to Corrales but he seems to be fine. Corrales took a bad loss to PBF but he came back as strong as ever. However we have to see how Corrales does in the future. He might have been damaged by fight 1 vs Castillo and the quick KO in fight 2 might have been due to the after effects of that....or it might've been the added weight of Castillo, thats a question that should've been answered in fight 3 but will have to wait to be answered in Corrales next big fight.

          One of the saddest big losses was for Meldrick Taylor when he got TKO'd by Chavez (which I think was robbery). Meldrick was never the same and you can see that he was seriously damaged that fight.
          i completely agree, I really think that Corrales was damaged in that fight, because although he won, he was hit with alot of punches by a stronger opponent. In the second fight it was evident, that he could not take the punches that he could previously take. That may have been due to the weight, the lack or recovery time, or just the fact that he suffered to much damage in the first fight.

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            Originally posted by machotime
            i completely agree, I really think that Corrales was damaged in that fight, because although he won, he was hit with alot of punches by a stronger opponent. In the second fight it was evident, that he could not take the punches that he could previously take. That may have been due to the weight, the lack or recovery time, or just the fact that he suffered to much damage in the first fight.
            Yeah, but saddly the 3rd fight which would've proven it one way or the other never happend. Even if Corrales lost fight 3 but went the distance or took the fight very deep i.e. 10-11 rounds then pro Corrales fans could've said the second fight thrashing was due to weight and at even weight Corrales can take Castillo's punch but just not over that prolonged a time.

            I dont think Corrales will face another big puncher in 135lbs and will shortly move up to 140lbs. So the question might never be answer because we will never know if its due to him stepping up a weight class or if its due to the damage of fight 1 or 2.

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            • RAESAAD
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              I hope Lacy can still be a strong fighter.

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              • machotime
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                Originally posted by RAESAAD
                I hope Lacy can still be a strong fighter.
                He is actually the one that I am worried about for the most. He took a beating. Although that fight should have been stopped, it could only have been stopped by the corner. Lacy wasn't going to give up, and the ref never had a moment in which he could legitamately stop it.

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                • JuicyJuice
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                  #9
                  Nigel Benn's loss to Michael Watson was a blessing in disguise.

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                  • AintGottaClue
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JuicyJuice
                    Nigel Benn's loss to Michael Watson was a blessing in disguise.

                    if anyone knows this it would be juyjuy yup

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