Comments Thread For: Matthysse-Kiram HBO Doubleheader Peaks at 769,000 Viewers

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I watched the fight on Saturday on HBO, streaming through DirecTV Now. Some providers like PS Vue have cloud DVR, so they can watch whenever it pleases them.

Both of those instances are counted by Nielsen.

Regardless of all this. Ratings problems at Showtime are nobody's fault but their own. Same with HBO, any ratings issue is their own problem. Handing out excuses to cheerlead one network is lame. Excuses do nothing to the actual reported numbers.

Do you really think Showtime would be so encouraged by their boxing program and spending more and more money if the ratings were really down as much as Nielsen indicates?

Use your head man. Clearly Showtime knows something you don't. Just because you label a fact an "excuse" doesn't mean it isn't true.

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Notice that once Big Dummy realized that DirecTV NOW is counted by Nielsen, he mysteriously vanished from the thread.

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Both of those instances are counted by Nielsen.




Do you really think Showtime would be so encouraged by their boxing program and spending more and more money if the ratings were really down as much as Nielsen indicates?

Use your head man. Clearly Showtime knows something you don't. Just because you label a fact an "excuse" doesn't mean it isn't true.

My point is, WGAF. Numbers get posted for HBO, and folks come in here to excuse Showtime having lower average numbers because of this, that, and the other thing. Why is it HBO's problem that they have more subscribers than Showtime?

A majority of the subscribers on each network probably don't even watch boxing. The boxing public are the ones contributing to the rating, no matter the network.

It's just a lame look to come in to a thread and be like, "Well Showtime is in less homes, so their ratings are just as good." So ****ing what!? What good does a post like that do, but invite the needless back and forth with bigdunny?

Does Showtime really need pity from an anonymous fan on an obscure boxing forum?

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Both of those instances are counted by Nielsen.




Do you really think Showtime would be so encouraged by their boxing program and spending more and more money if the ratings were really down as much as Nielsen indicates?

Use your head man. Clearly Showtime knows something you don't. Just because you label a fact an "excuse" doesn't mean it isn't true.

No they are not you phuking idiot. Nielson can barely track on demand streaming from these apps which they just started doing last year. If they could accurately track streaming then the entire industry wouldn't be freaking out about the numbers steady declining across the board for every channel. People are not watching less TV. They are just watching it now differently on multiple devices via streaming and nielson can't track it.

1) they can't force users to submit nielson streaming numbers. It's not like Broadcast or cable where it's mandatory. For streamers you have to opt in which is optional and followed by a disclosure agreement.

2) even if you opt in on SlingTv, DirectvNow ect they can't accurately track live streams which is far more difficult from a technical standpoint then tracking ondemand.

Nielson has made the commitment to try and track streaming. Problem is Streaming is the wild wild west most of the apps a year ago couldn't even deliver live stream that can handle 90% of the wifi folks had. You needed hardcode ethernet or extremely fast Wifi. The problem is wifi congestion and inconsistencies with speed hikes and drops which lead to folks getting tons of buffering and out of sync issues when trying to stream live. It sounds simple and hey streaming is streaming. No it's not from a technical standpoint what Netflix and others who provide ondemand content do is vastly different then what SlingTV/DirectTV and others are doing to deliver live streams. It's why anyone who streams will tell you if you watch a movie/show/fight ondemand on any of these platforms the quality 1080Full HD, crisp and consistent no buffering. But the moment you try and watch a live stream on the same platform what happens? Resolution not the same, probably fluctuates with resolutions drops down to SD or even worst, and almost always hits a buffer a couple times while you are watching, maybe the audio will go out of sync for a few seconds, ect. Hell I know folks who have yet to make the full jump to cord cutting strictly because live streaming for many is inconsistent. So if the industry can't consistently deliver the stream how the phuk do you think Nielson can track it you dummy? The technology is still evolving and getting better in a few years they will be able to track it and provide data splits on who is streaming and what the exact numbers are. They can't release that data today because they can't track it you fool.

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Notice that once Big Dummy realized that DirecTV NOW is counted by Nielsen, he mysteriously vanished from the thread.

You obsessed bytch so now if I don't respond in 5 mins including when I'm sleeping I vanished? Nobody's ducking you chump. lol Making BS excuses for why showtime ratings suck. Showtime ratings aren't real because there are hidden streams that Nielson doesn't know about? Yet you have no clue how many or what percent that would hike up their ratings because none of that data exists. And at the same time refuse to acknowledge that the same logic applies to HBO. Just keep streaming out the conversation because Nielson either can't track any of it or sucks at the small bucket of streaming they try and track today. So unless you can provide to us a link to what the real streaming boxing numbers are STFU and we will use the real numbers which we do have. Making up hypothetical BS you can't back up

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I watched the fight on Saturday on HBO, streaming through DirecTV Now. Some providers like PS Vue have cloud DVR, so they can watch whenever it pleases them.

Regardless of all this. Ratings problems at Showtime are nobody's fault but their own. Same with HBO, any ratings issue is their own problem. Handing out excuses to cheerlead one network is lame. Excuses do nothing to the actual reported numbers.

Exactly. If Showtime does a good rating he jumps up and down if they pull a shyt rating here come the excuses and fairy tale BS about streaming numbers he doesn't have and has no clue about. Either take the numbers we have to compare or STFU. Nobody wants to hear this nonsense. He's become the annoying fan who cries about the Ref every time his team loses. It's not his team's fault for throwing interceptions, fumbling the ball, being off side, ect ect nope the refs just wanted the other team to win. So HBO intentionally does not want you to stream and won't let you (his first lie) once folks one by one tell you they streamed the HBO fight he changes his argument and now it's a conspiracy from HBO to boost their Nielson ratings? Dumb azzz HBO, Showtime, ect are premium cable they don't rely on ratings because unlike other channels that have advertisement and other sources of income that is tied to and fueled by ratings figures HBO/Showtime is subscription based. They don't matter to their bottom line. These numbers are more for them internally to decide which programming folks respond to more but as long as folks renew their subscription they could give a phuk. And why go through this conspiracy when boxing audience makes up a fraction of HBO and Showtimes business and bottom line? And only a small percent of hardcore boxing fans even track or know these ratings in the first place nobody outside the boxing community cares but according to dipshyt a billion dollar business like HBO is doing this just to inflate boxing ratings by a couple extra views to satisfy maybe 1% of their subscribers? Bytch please take the tin foil hat off

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You obsessed bytch so now if I don't respond in 5 mins including when I'm sleeping I vanished?

You clearly were ducking the thread. First you tried to not quote me so I wouldn't see your reply and when that didn't work, you just quit the thread. You're not fooling anybody.

Yet you have no clue how many or what percent that would hike up their ratings because none of that data exists.

The data exists, Nielsen just doesn't include it. Showtime knows exactly how many people watched live on Showtime Anytime. They know exactly how many people watched the show on demand. They know exactly how many people watched the late night replay.

There's a reason Showtime is so bullish on boxing despite the appearance of sinking ratings. They have access to numbers you don't.

When one network makes it so easy to watch in ways Nielsen doesn't count and the other network makes it so difficult to watch in ways Nielsen doesn't count, you have to keep that in mind when comparing their Nielsen numbers. Common sense. We don't know the exact numbers, but we know one is artificially deflated and the other is artificially inflated.

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My point is, WGAF. Numbers get posted for HBO, and folks come in here to excuse Showtime having lower average numbers because of this, that, and the other thing.

It's common for fans to express confusion over Showtime pumping more and more money into boxing when the ratings are so "low."

So I'm just giving you the answer. The answer is that Showtime makes their fights available to subscribers in a variety of ways that aren't counted by Nielsen. Showtime is making their decisions on the actual number of viewers. Not the Nielsen numbers.

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You clearly were ducking the thread. First you tried to not quote me so I wouldn't see your reply and when that didn't work, you just quit the thread. You're not fooling anybody.




The data exists, Nielsen just doesn't include it. Showtime knows exactly how many people watched live on Showtime Anytime. They know exactly how many people watched the show on demand. They know exactly how many people watched the late night replay.

There's a reason Showtime is so bullish on boxing despite the appearance of sinking ratings. They have access to numbers you don't.

When one network makes it so easy to watch in ways Nielsen doesn't count and the other network makes it so difficult to watch in ways Nielsen doesn't count, you have to keep that in mind when comparing their Nielsen numbers. Common sense. We don't know the exact numbers, but we know one is artificially deflated and the other is artificially inflated.

Nobody is ducking you dumb paranoid bytch. First it's a conspiracy with HBO and now it's a conspiracy with me trying to "hide" comments from you. SMH Dude you on a message board folks have lives if someone is asleep, at work, hell taking a dump it's not about ducking little ol' you. LMAO

Now the data does exist but Nielsen is on the conspiracy too and just not releasing it all for boxing right? If Nielsen could track it they would release it you ****** fool. Of course Showtime has their own internal data on their app but until they release that data nobody knows what it is which is the point why it's useless to bring up something you have no clue the numbers for and that Showtime themselves won't release. And the independent folks who track ratings can't and won't either. So until streaming technology get's to the point where it's standardized and fully tracked STFU about it. The numbers we have for comparison are the only numbers that matter. The rest is just BS excuses and conspiracy theories by you to try and mask shyt numbers by Showtime.