When did the Eastern myth start?

[chrisJS]

while I agree all divisions are not the same, don't be a revisionist.

Postol was undefeated when he fought Crawford and was #1 or #2 ranked at JWW. He had just destroyed Matthysse when people were claiming he was a top JWW and was favored to win.

Don't retroactively lower Postol just because you want to put GGG and Loma ahead of Crawford.

Yes, and Briedis was unbeaten before this weekend and a more impressive fighter than Postol. I think Postol is underrated and clearly good.

I am a big Crawford fan. MUCH more so than GGG and more than Loma just. Bud is my favorite active fighter. He was a 7-1 favorite over Postol. I went to Vegas and two of my friends wanted to bet Postol and I said he has like 1% chance of winning.

[boliodogs]

You sound like a black racist who can't stand it when anybody suggests any non blacks are just as good at boxing as blacks are. You want total domination of boxing by black boxers and for everyone to just admit black boxers are always superior to any non black boxers. Nobody said Eastern Europeans are taking over boxing but they are doing very well in boxing and that's obvious to anyone but a blind prejudice fool. You list some fights in which black boxers got the best of Eastern European boxers. A list of fights in which Eastern European boxers got the best of black boxers could quickly be made. Then you give your black racist view of what happened in some fights. Most viewers think GGG beat Jacobs in a close fight including 3 judges from Jacob's home state. Many viewers think Vitali would have gone on to KO Lewis if the cuts had not caused an early stoppage. Lots of viewers thought Bradley should have lost to Ruslin. Ward is half white and half black so why should only his black half get credit for his boxing excellence? Black boxers are very good but not so genetically superior that other races can't be just as good. That is just your fantasy. There is plenty of room in boxing for great black boxers, great white boxers, great oriental boxers, great Mexican boxers and great boxers of any other race or nationality. It's a sport for individuals of all races to succeed on their own merits. It's not a competition between the races like you are trying to make it.

[The Big Dunn]

To be honest Postol only beat Matthysse because he was allowed to clinch non stop and headbutt Matthysse hard with no point deduction or anything. Just a warning in the 6th if I remember. There was a massive headbutt on Matthysse eye two rounds before the stoppage.

Please, stop. he simply kicked Matthysse's ass and proved to be the better guy. There was a lack of knowledge about Postol combined with people being seduced by Matthysse's power.

Postol is not great, but to suggest he is not a top tier opponent when Crawford beat him is not honest.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, and Briedis was unbeaten before this weekend and a more impressive fighter than Postol. I think Postol is underrated and clearly good.

I am a big Crawford fan. MUCH more so than GGG and more than Loma just. Bud is my favorite active fighter. He was a 7-1 favorite over Postol. I went to Vegas and two of my friends wanted to bet Postol and I said he has like 1% chance of winning.

If you think Bredis is more impressive, fine. He is also older and it could be argued is on the downside of his career while Postol was peaking. I'm just asking that you not lower Postol when making an assessment of who is the top p4p boxer.

[chrisJS]

Please, stop. he simply kicked Matthysse's ass and proved to be the better guy. There was a lack of knowledge about Postol combined with people being seduced by Matthysse's power.

Postol is not great, but to suggest he is not a top tier opponent when Crawford beat him is not honest.

Nobody is suggesting that he's not top tier. A number of people picked him over Lucas though he was an underdog.

The point is that I think Briedis is a better fighter on a p4p level based on the eye test and who I'd bet on to have a better career moving forward. Being not as good as Usyk or Briedis isn't the equivalent of saying he's not top tier.

[Szef]

Eastern Euros have great genetics for fighting. Cardio is the most important thing when it comes to fighting and all those ripped black guys have terrible cardio. You can see which type of athleticism is superior in fights like Froch vs Taylor. Look at Usyk, Golovkin and Provodnikov and the insane pace that they are able to fight at without tiring.

It's no coincidence that Eastern Europe is also home to the greatest animal on the planet the brown bear which represents the same power, explosiveness and endurance combination as the typical Eastern Euro fighter. A bear can run at top speed for miles while African cheetahs get tired quickly.

[chrisJS]

If you think Bredis is more impressive, fine. He is also older and it could be argued is on the downside of his career while Postol was peaking. I'm just asking that you not lower Postol when making an assessment of who is the top p4p boxer.

Postol is older and I think they were about the same age at their respective losses. Postol has more miles on the clock and is at a weight where the fighters typically peak sooner so all that is fairly irrelevant. Both were very good champions.

I am in no way lowering Postol. I am stating that I think a few guys are better fighters. There's no evidence to suggest Briedis is on the downside. He arguably just had his best performance and Postol looked like ass in his last fight and may lose his next fight.

[BillyBoxing]

What myth are you talking about?

Well, estearn euros fighters aren't unbeatable if that is what you mean.

Same goes for western fighters:

Foreman wasn't unbeatable, Ali wasn't, Tyson wasn't, Chavez wasn't, Lewis wasn't, Oscar wasn't, Joe Louis wasn't, the list goes on.

They sure are the most dominant force in boxing in young/amateur classes.
And so they have the best prospects....

Maybe the "hype/myth" is coming from that point.

[_Rexy_]

I’d say when two Eastern European brothers completely ass****d the heavyweight division for over a decade...

[_Maxi]

Please, stop. he simply kicked Matthysse's ass and proved to be the better guy. There was a lack of knowledge about Postol combined with people being seduced by Matthysse's power.

Postol is not great, but to suggest he is not a top tier opponent when Crawford beat him is not honest.

Postol is good, I never said he wasn't. To claim he destroyed Matthysse is BS. Like claiming Vlad destroyed Povetkin... he did, but cheating all night.