Comments Thread For: Adonis Stevenson vs. Eleider Alvarez Will Happen, Says Michel

[Bronx2245]

Put Eleider Alvarez vs. "Sir" Marcus Browne on the undercard of Stevenson vs. Jack! Shaolin Stand Up!

[Shadoww702]

Look at that nothing but excuses and pardons. Your bias is off the charts. Bottom line fight was there Stevenson ran. They had the same netowrk. Everyone wanted the fight. No way around it. Further proof he has done NOTHING since Dawson. No names load his record. Kovalev fought master boxer Hopkins. Fought Pascal. Fought Ward. Stevenson fought Fonfara twice lol. Get real my boy, Stevenson about checks not pride.

Exactly! Homie is all over Stvensons nuts for some reason and will give hom a pass no matter what. He doesnt want to see good fights! Hes cool with Stevson fighting bums 99% of the time.

[Shadoww702]

Facts matter. #1 - Stevenson never paid Alvarez to step aside. #2 - Kovalev was Stevenson's mandatory and Stevenson agreed to fight him. As soon as Stevenson said yes, Kovalev vacated the diamond title and refused to fight Stevenson.




Facts matter. Adonis was a restricted free agent and it was his obligation to present HBO with a competing offer so HBO could match or pass. HBO blew it by not matching. That's not Stevenson's fault. Also, why in the world would you criticize Stevenson for wanting to fight the unified WBA/IBF champion instead of the WBO champion? Use your head.




Then it should be easy to counter my positions, but you can't.




You're lying. It wasn't his last fight. If you're lying about that, what else are you lying about?

Fact: You could care less if Stevenson fight good fighters. You ok with him fighting sht bums all the time. Could of fought Alaverez, Kovalov and your the only RTard cool that he didnt.

Fact: Kovalov would of beat him. And been favored over him.

[killakali]

It was a time buy fight. An infomercial essentially. Showtime didn't pay for the fight. So you listed a bunch of fights Showtime either didn't pay for, or paid peanuts for. Thus making your entire position ridiculous.




I said if Alvarez is facing a name, Showtime will show the fight. The name you suggested, Showtime would have bought had the fight been offered, but it wasn't offered. The fight being on ESPN does nothing for GYM and nothing for SHO. Learn how the business works.

U really are exposing yourself as not being in the business. The Gvozdyk fight was offered to Alvarez and as a matter of fact was ordered by the WBC. Yvon Michel stated on this very site that they turned the fight down because they didn't want to fight another eliminator so stop making shiet up. It was offered. Stop the lying.

And the part about how Top Rank won a purse bid and it went to ESPN would do nothing for Gym and nothing for Showtime proves you no nothing about the sport. As Stephen Espinoza said on more than once occasion about Deontay Wilder fighting on Fox or Amir Khan on Spike that he didn't mind these guys fighting one offs on other networks to get more exposure and then come back.

If Alvarez beats Gvozdyk on a basic cable channel that is available in 5x as many households as Showtime he comes back more marketable and a bigger name which benefits GYM and Showtime so cut the shiet man. You just proved you are another bscene groupie who pretends to be in the business.

You are contradicting the very words of the man Stephen Espinoza himself SMH

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U really are exposing yourself as not being in the business. The Gvozdyk fight was offered to Alvarez and as a matter of fact was ordered by the WBC. Yvon Michel stated on this very site that they turned the fight down because they didn't want to fight another eliminator so stop making shiet up. It was offered. Stop the lying.

You are exposing yourself as not being fluent in English. I said the fight wasn't offered to SHO and it wasn't. I didn't say the fight wasn't ordered by the WBC.

And the part about how Top Rank won a purse bid and it went to ESPN would do nothing for Gym and nothing for Showtime proves you no nothing about the sport.

I'm all ears, let's see your if your explanation makes any sense . . .

As Stephen Espinoza said on more than once occasion about Deontay Wilder fighting on Fox or Amir Khan on Spike that he didn't mind these guys fighting one offs on other networks to get more exposure and then come back.

Ahhhh, waddya know, your explanation makes sense. Should have seen that coming. Let me kindly explain why your explanation makes no sense. PBC & SHO are working hand in hand to try to take over the sport. They had a plan in place to put their stars on larger platforms and then bring them back, but these were in house events PBC controlled. Not farming the fighters to cards put on by enemy promoters were the deck will be stalked against them.

Further, Alvarez has a guaranteed title shot. The risk didn't outweigh the reward when it came to taking the ESPN fight. If it did, he would have.

If Alvarez beats Gvozdyk on a basic cable channel that is available in 5x as many households as Showtime he comes back more marketable and a bigger name which benefits GYM and Showtime so cut the shiet man.

But what if he loses? And the chances of losing on an Arum card are much greater than the chances of losing on a Haymon card. Thank you for your opinion of how Haymon should manage his fighters, but considering he's the most successful manager in boxing and you're a random nerd on the internet with no experience whatsoever, is it possible his analysis of the situation is more savvy than yours?

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Fact: You could care less if Stevenson fight good fighters.

True. I'm not a fan. This is my job. I don't currently work for GYM and so it doesn't really matter to me who Stevenson fights.

Fact: Kovalov would of beat him.

That's not how facts work. That's your opinion. An opinion that wasn't enthusiastically shared by Kovalev's promoter. If she was as certain as you were, she would have allowed Kovalev to fight him. GYM really liked their chances in that fight and was willing to make the fight happen. GYM didn't duck the purse bid. Kovalev did. That's why it's so ridiculous to say Stevenson ducked Kovalev when the fight was actually ordered and we know 100% for a fact it was Kovalev that vacated the diamond title and ducked the fight.

[BigZ44]

Really, really hope Jack tears apart Stevenson and ends his pitiful reign

[killakali]

You are exposing yourself as not being fluent in English. I said the fight wasn't offered to SHO and it wasn't. I didn't say the fight wasn't ordered by the WBC.




I'm all ears, let's see your if your explanation makes any sense . . .




Ahhhh, waddya know, your explanation makes sense. Should have seen that coming. Let me kindly explain why your explanation makes no sense. PBC & SHO are working hand in hand to try to take over the sport. They had a plan in place to put their stars on larger platforms and then bring them back, but these were in house events PBC controlled. Not farming the fighters to cards put on by enemy promoters were the deck will be stalked against them.

Further, Alvarez has a guaranteed title shot. The risk didn't outweigh the reward when it came to taking the ESPN fight. If it did, he would have.




But what if he loses? And the chances of losing on an Arum card are much greater than the chances of losing on a Haymon card. Thank you for your opinion of how Haymon should manage his fighters, but considering he's the most successful manager in boxing and you're a random nerd on the internet with no experience whatsoever, is it possible his analysis of the situation is more savvy than yours?

lets take this one by one. U have so many errors it’s funny. First off PBC HAD a plan to take over boxing and it was for FREE (not showtime) boxing. But when the money dried up everyone had to move back to Showtime because they didn’t have any options. NBC dropped them. Spike told them no thanks. ESPN said no thanks to their Noe buys and now Pay Top Rank for content which is ironic.

So what was PBC left with? Low budget farm shows on FS1 and a few time buys left on Fox which is the real proof the PBC money has dried up. We went from Danny Garcia Andy deontay wilder in fox main event to garbage no one cares about like Brandon rios vs devon Alexander, Abner Mares and Leo Santa Cruz fighting tune ups and Robert Guerrero after losing to a cab driver literally against Omar Figueroa.

The PBC plan is no longer to take over. Now ts just to minimize the several defections that have already happened and strengthen their position at Showtime. That’s it plain and simple.

Danny jacobs, Amir Khan, Lee Selby, Artur Beterbiev, Carl Frampton, Jamal Herring, etc are just the first guys to leave PBC. There will be more.

As for alvarez, he could walk down the streets right now here in LA and 100 out of 100 people wouldn’t know who he is. Michel and Haymon haven’t done anything to build him.

Fighting Gvozdyk would have helped. Unfortunately after gvozdyk bests amar there is a good chance they won’t hold the belt hostage after that when the mandatory is enforced. To people even realize Badou Jack isn’t signed to Haymon ?

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PBC HAD a plan to take over boxing and it was for FREE (not showtime) boxing. But when the money dried up everyone had to move back to Showtime because they didn’t have any options. NBC dropped them. Spike told them no thanks. ESPN said no thanks to their Noe buys and now Pay Top Rank for content which is ironic.

PBC had a plan to grow the pie, which they did. Showtime is paying them more than before because of the leverage they created. Network TV is still a part of PBC's plan, which is why they have events on FOX and CBS, but until the UFC TV deal is settled, they're not going to be able to get FOX to commit to anything more substantial.

NBC didn't drop PBC. PBC dropped NBC because they realized NBC was never going to pay, so there was no sense in going through with the rest of the time buys. ESPN is cutting costs across the board, which is why PBC didn't go through with the rest of the time buys with them either. The deal Top Rank got with ESPN, PBC could have had that deal if they wanted, but they didn't want it. SHO is paying PBC wayyyyyy more than ESPN is paying TR. ESPN is paying TR peanuts, with TR coming out of pocket every show as a loss leader for their eventual subscription service.

The PBC plan is no longer to take over.

Well then they must be taking over on accident then. They have more world champions than ever, with more on the way. They have more control of Showtime than ever, with more on the way. Showtime is paying them more than ever, with more on the way. A FOX deal is looming as well. Haymon has more control of US boxing in 2018 than he had in 2014. So he's definitely been taking over, with no end in sight.

[killakali]

PBC had a plan to grow the pie, which they did. Showtime is not paying them more than before because of the leverage they created. Network TV is still a part of PBC's plan, which is why they have events on FOX and CBS, but until the UFC TV deal is settled, they're not going to be able to get FOX to commit to anything more substantial.

NBC didn't drop PBC. PBC dropped NBC because they realized NBC was never going to pay, so there was no sense in going through with the rest of the time buys. ESPN is cutting costs across the board, which is why PBC didn't go through with the rest of the time buys with them either. The deal Top Rank got with ESPN, PBC could have had that deal if they wanted, but they didn't want it. SHO is paying PBC wayyyyyy more than ESPN is paying TR. ESPN is paying TR peanuts, with TR coming out of pocket every show as a loss leader for their eventual subscription service.




Well then they must be taking over on accident then. They have more world champions than ever, with more on the way. They have more control of Showtime than ever, with more on the way. Showtime is paying them more than ever, with more on the way. A FOX deal is looming as well. Haymon has more control of US boxing in 2018 than he had in 2014. So he's definitely been taking over, with no end in sight.

no pbc didn’t drop Espn or NbC. Pbc owed them more time buys that didn’t get fulfilled don’t get twisted.

Pbc has the same or less control over showtime as 2015. Pbc doesn’t have joshua and he’s the biggest star on showtime. That’s a fact. When the bidding war for his service begins it will come at the expense of Pbc budget.

PBc isn’t growing. Haymon didn’t get any top 2016 Olympians so they don’t have any top young fighters either.

And in the last year they’ve lost fighters not gained fighters. Picking up Jessie Vargas and losing beterbiev Frampton Selby is a loss of champions not a gain. Stop making stuff up. That doesn’t count Khan or herring who aren’t Pbc anymore either.

What you mean to say is Pbc is losing ground not gaining. How much did Haymon have to over Pay to keep Spence from signing that promotional contract?

If we talk about this again in 3-4 more months from now how many more defections will there be? 7-8? Many of the fighters are pissed at their inactivity. You know this.

The fox thing is a pipe dream. They had 3 cards last year and ufc. UFC only had quarterly shows. 4 shows a year pales in comparison to 18-20 on Espn. The ufc deal has no bearing on Fox’s lukewarm interest in boxing.

And bro add WBO to your name. The WBA WBC IBF name only shows your bias even more