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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostOf course you can.
The other guy is moving out of his natural weight and fighting the other fighter at a disadvantage. The bigger guy doesn't get much credit because he supposed to win with his advantages. It's not hard to understand.
Smaller guy overcoming disadvantages and winning = great win.
Bigger guy beating smaller fighter = that's what supposed to happen.
If fans like you aren't going to give credit to Usyk in the first place if he beats Ward, then why should Usyk even accept the fight? Why should Usyk waste time and go through a grueling training camp for a bout that he won't receive credit either way, irrespective of the outcome? Whilst also jeopardizing other potential bouts he can be involved in which he will receive much more credit for if he wins.
I understand you're trying to make this 100% all about Andre Ward but Usyk is part of this bout too and it is totally unfair to not take into consideration potential sacrifices and efforts that he will go through if the bout to take place. To not give Usyk credit is to not acknowledge the efforts he will need to put in for the bout and that's flat out unfair.
I actually do want boxers to dare and be great. Unlike you however, I am willing to give both boxers equal credit if they win. I want Usyk to dare and be great by moving up to heavyweight and face Anthony Joshua and whoever wins, I'll give the potential winner equal credit. In fact, I'd go as far as to state that I'd probably give Joshua even more credit if he beats Usyk than if he beats Parker or even Deontay Wilder. that's because I have a single standard that I always stick to. I judge ever boxer by the same standard.
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Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View PostSimple question:
If fans like you aren't going to give credit to Usyk in the first place if he beats Ward, then why should Usyk even accept the fight? Why should Usyk waste time and go through a grueling training camp for a bout that he won't receive credit either way, irrespective of the outcome? Whilst also jeopardizing other potential bouts he can be involved in which he will receive much more credit for if he wins.
I understand you're trying to make this 100% all about Andre Ward but Usyk is part of this bout too and it is totally unfair to not take into consideration potential sacrifices and efforts that he will go through if the bout to take place. To not give Usyk credit is to not acknowledge the efforts he will need to put in for the bout and that's flat out unfair.
I actually do want boxers to dare and be great. Unlike you however, I am willing to give both boxers equal credit if they win. I want Usyk to dare and be great by moving up to heavyweight and face Anthony Joshua and whoever wins, I'll give the potential winner equal credit. In fact, I'd go as far as to state that I'd probably give Joshua even more credit if he beats Usyk than if he beats Parker or even Deontay Wilder. that's because I have a single standard that I always stick to. I judge ever boxer by the same standard.
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostWhy would they deserve equal credit when it's not an equal fight? The smaller guy is disadvantaged.
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Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View PostSo why should Usyk accept this bout against Ward and waste his time and energy preparing for the bout in the first place if he isn't going to receive much credit, irrespective of the outcome?
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostBecause it'll likely be the biggest fight available to him at CW? This is prizefighting.
So again, provide a good enough reason as to why Usyk should take on Ward in the first place.
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Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View PostHe has bigger bouts available against other opponents than against Ward. Gassiev is a bigger bout than Ward which will sell in other countries. And he already has plans on moving up to heavyweight after he finishes the WBSS cruiser weight tournament where he can have bigger bouts than against Ward.
So again, provide a good enough reason as to why Usyk should take on Ward in the first place.
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