Comments Thread For: Joshua Promoter: Wilder Can't Be Delusional With 50-50 Demand

[Boksfan]

If my positions were faulty, you would be able to shut me up with facts instead of acting like a petulant child.




We have ways to track that. Easily verifiable public data. Which clearly shows you are 100% wrong. Parker does not have more fans worldwide than Wilder. Parker has 150,000 instagram followers and 60,000 twitter followers.

Wilder has 600,000 instagram followers and 240,000 twitter followers. Clearly, Wilder has 400% more fans than Parker does. You're just wrong. No matter how aggressive you are or how much name calling you spew. The facts don't support your premise.




That would still require knowing who he is and being so interested in him that you actively seek him out to vomit hatred. Which is something someone like you would actually do. But very few people would. So your premise is ridiculous.

You are a little troll from Alabama, you don't understand facts anyway, why bother

[N/A]

Doesn't really prove much

Uhhhh it certainly proves Wilder has a bigger fan base than Parker. The other poster was incorrectly stating that Parker has the larger fan base.

anyone can pull up arbitrary numbers and claim it means something it doesn't

So if it doesn't mean that Wilder has a larger following, what does it mean? You seriously believe Parker has a larger following than Wilder? Based on what?

for example Deontay Wilder 491K hits on google, Joseph Parker 3.54 mill hits on Google.

Your experiment is terribly flawed. Joseph is a far more common name than Deontay. Parker is a far more common name than Wilder. You need to put the names in quotes in order for your google search to make any sense.

"Deontay Wilder" just turned up 4 million hits on google. "Joseph Parker" just turned up 600,000 hits on google.

By any logical metric, Wilder has a larger following than Parker. It's not even debatable.

And even then whoever is more popular doesn't matter it's what each fighter brings to the table in regards to revenue and in this regard it's pretty similar as proven by my original post.

Wilder clearly brings more to the table than Parker. Wilder brings the American market, far more valuable than the New Zealand market. Wilder brings the WBC title, far more valuable than the WBO title.

I would bet my life, with no hesitation, that Wilder will get a larger percentage than Parker is getting if Wilder is still undefeated when he faces AJ. There's not even a question. I don't know a single person working in the industry that believes Wilder won't get a better split than Parker. Your position is ludicrous.

[Boksfan]

I admit I do not know much about this Wilder guy as I do with other boxers. Let's say you are right. My point is his resume and Joshua's are pretty much similar aside from one name. So even if you're right, him being traumatized has nothing to do with why they should'nt get 50/50. Wilders a solid knock out artist. Joshua, has been knocking people out. Wilders willing to go to UK. So what if he has 3 belts, like I said, belts mean nothing. They give those out to the highest bidder. Its about who've they fought and how they've been boxing most recently. And both have been performing pretty much the same. So to say 50/50 is a delusional request, it might be a business strategy, but we all know both these guys are pretty much on the same level.

What is the fuss about, just fight lol. You have a 50/50 split, you'll have "Home Court Advantage", you'll have 60k people in the stadium cheering for your side. What's the problem with knocking out Wilder real quick then if Joshua's so good? He has everything in his favor already, so if he's not scared, what is he just holding out for?
money? Maybe, but if Wilder is not on his level, why not just book the fight, kick Wilder's ass, make the quick money and be on your way. That's how real boxers treat other boxers they don't feel are their equal. Wham, Bam, Thank you m'am.

Wilder might not seem like he has alot of fans, and he doesn't at the moment. But if he's our only heavyweight to root for, we'll stand behind this ****er when it comes time lol. Especially against these half ass champions the UK always produces.

First question is if Wilder is really willing to travel, in every interview he's saying something else, maybe he's bipolar?
Second, it's about money, if yankee is coming to UK to grab brits money who are Wilder fans to say he deserves it? Wilder need to play the game if he wants any pay day, UK is the capital of heavyweight boxing, like it or not. Why would brits give free money to some random belt holder if Kiwi boxer came to UK and agreed to their conditions (rightfully so). If any yank wanna pay day from brits he need to play their game and accept whatever they give him, that's simply what it is in 2018 as far as heavyweight is concerned.

[sportbuddha]

That's brainwashed bull****, A side and B side really is only an excuse to make demands.

Nobody would pay for Mayweather shadowboxing.

It's business. If you have more customers you get more money, simple. You think the headliner of a music concert gets the same as the support artists? Does that mean the support acts aren't better at playing their guitars or knocking out a tune, of course not.

Joshua can pull in at least $20m (very conservatively) to fight anyone in the UK now. Wilder would generate generate a fraction of that in the US. So why, would AJ's management give A 50% chunk of that to Wilder when his previous earning power was $1.4m to fight Stiverne? What's the incentive? There's none. It's not about fans, they don't give a **** about fans, its business and its been done like this for decades, so whining about it won't change anything.

[Just looking]

It's pretty clear Wilder aims a 60/40 split and it's fair. Joshua made around 20mil. against Wlad and around 15mil. in the Takam fight (in what should be Pulev). Fighting a mandatory would make between 10-15mil. Fighting Wilder will make more than even the Wlad fight pluss opening the US market. So, a 60/40 would make more to Joshua than any other fight except Fury, very fair

[vitali1999]

You're wrong. Wilder will get more than 35%. Parker got almost 35% and Wilder is a much bigger star than Parker, has a much more valuable belt than Parker, and opens up a much more lucrative market than Parker. Wilder will get 40%




Correct. It'll be a 60/40 split.

That would be OK but not any higher

[KillaCamNZ]

It's business. If you have more customers you get more money, simple. You think the headliner of a music concert gets the same as the support artists? Does that mean the support acts aren't better at playing their guitars or knocking out a tune, of course not.

Joshua can pull in at least $20m (very conservatively) to fight anyone in the UK now. Wilder would generate generate a fraction of that in the US. So why, would AJ's management give A 50% chunk of that to Wilder when his previous earning power was $1.4m to fight Stiverne? What's the incentive? There's none. It's not about fans, they don't give a **** about fans, its business and its been done like this for decades, so whining about it won't change anything.

Post of the day.

[TheUntouchable]

It's business. If you have more customers you get more money, simple. You think the headliner of a music concert gets the same as the support artists? Does that mean the support acts aren't better at playing their guitars or knocking out a tune, of course not.

Joshua can pull in at least $20m (very conservatively) to fight anyone in the UK now. Wilder would generate generate a fraction of that in the US. So why, would AJ's management give A 50% chunk of that to Wilder when his previous earning power was $1.4m to fight Stiverne? What's the incentive? There's none. It's not about fans, they don't give a **** about fans, its business and its been done like this for decades, so whining about it won't change anything.

Exactly, it's strictly business and doesn't have anything to do with sports. So I'm asking for rules, the government bodies, boxing boards or some newly formed worldwide boxing association should finally step up and save our sport.

With each super PPV bull**** the fanbase declines because they are just mismatches in most cases. Most fights in boxing are mismatches or close to it.

Because it's easy for a promoter to put his star in with a bum, give the bum 10% or less of the money and ignore real fights out there because "the money isn't right" or "the demands are unreasonable".


And then there's a core fanbase of promoters and certain boxers who even support those businesses. Eddie Hearn has more fans than the average world champion in boxing. It's pathetic, most modern boxing fans are pathetic and deserve no better but it's killing the sport at the same time.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Joshua deserves more of the pie.. he is a massive UK draw and probably could sell just as many tickets as wilder in Vegas or nyc.

60-40 Joshua...


People need to stop saying “Joshua is pricing himself out by not taking 50/50”

Why the **** would Joshua take 50/50..



60/40

Vegas or wembley


Get it ON

[N/A]

That would be OK but not any higher

I agree with you. Especially if AJ has three belts. Hearn isn't going to agree to one penny above 40%.