Hopkins/Ray Robinson....

[jabsRstiff]

did I say you said he compared himself to SRR do you know how to read mother****er, I wasnt flaming you I was just pointing out the facts

By quoting what I said, & then saying what you said (in your previous quote).....the answer to your question, is "yes".

[grayfist]

They said the same thing about Ezzard, Archie and Bob after Spinks beat Holmes.

Today, while people talk of Spinks as being one of the top five best LightHeavies in history, seldom--if at all-- do they put him above those three. His feat, though singular (as is Hopkins'), has not and cannot, by and of itself, elevate him to the top most.

You're right, jabs. People should take the matter in proper perspective. Hopkins did a great one that not only put the best exclamation point seen in years (possibly, ever) to end a sports career, but also put boxing in the best light it has been under recently--a light that the sport sorely needed. For that, along with the other high watermarks of his carrer, Hopkins will always be The Bernard Hopkins. But comparisons with SRR in terms of talent and skills (even, perhaps, genius) shall only serve to diminish Hopkins instead of bring him up. It shall be unfair not only to Sugar Ray but also to Bernard.

Let us not make the ghost of Robinson haunt Hopkin's accomplishments.

[THE REAL NINJA]

They said the same thing about Ezzard, Archie and Bob after Spinks beat Holmes.

Today, while people talk of Spinks as being one of the top five best LightHeavies in history, seldom--if at all-- do they put him above those three. His feat, though singular (as is Hopkins'), has not and cannot, by and of itself, elevate him to the top most.

You're right, jabs. People should take the matter in proper perspective. Hopkins did a great one that not only put the best exclamation point seen in years (possibly, ever) to end a sports career, but also put boxing in the best light it has been under recently--a light that the sport sorely needed. For that, along with the other high watermarks of his carrer, Hopkins will always be The Bernard Hopkins. But comparisons with SRR in terms of talent and skills (even, perhaps, genius) shall only serve to diminish Hopkins instead of bring him up. It shall be unfair not only to Sugar Ray but also to Bernard.

Let us not make the ghost of Robinson haunt Hopkin's accomplishments.

good post but if anyone thinks Hop is better the Ray they need to do some boxing homework

[jabsRstiff]

This was a pretty big fight, made bigger by Hopkins winning & by how he won.

There will be more people reading about boxing, today, than is normally the case. I just don't like them to be even the least bit mislead...

For the record- I truly believe that Bernard Hopkins was a better middleweight than Ray Robinson. Ray Robinson's lb4lb greatness has lead people to rate him as the best middleweight ever, which I don't believe he was.
Lb4lb, Robinson is of course far greater than Hopkins, however.

[THE REAL NINJA]

This was a pretty big fight, made bigger by Hopkins winning & by how he won.

There will be more people reading about boxing, today, than is normally the case. I just don't like them to be even the least bit mislead...

For the record- I truly believe that Bernard Hopkins was a better middleweight than Ray Robinson. Ray Robinson's lb4lb greatness has lead people to rate him as the best middleweight ever, which I don't believe he was.
Lb4lb, Robinson is of course far greater than Hopkins, however.

yeah thats true Ray was on the down side at middle but over all was the better fighter ......the only dif is that Ray was fighting TRUE hall of famers every day and fought a True Hall of famer at lightheavy

[jabsRstiff]

yeah thats true Ray was on the down side at middle but over all was the better fighter ......the only dif is that Ray was fighting TRUE hall of famers every day and fought a True Hall of famer at lightheavy

I agree that Robinson fought a higher quality of opp. at middleweight.
But, Randy Turpin......made his name (I know, he had some Euro accomplishments) by beating Robinson the first time. Carmen Basilio was a welterweight, & he split with Ray.
You have to hold Robinson's losses against him, at 160.

[grayfist]

This was a pretty big fight, made bigger by Hopkins winning & by how he won.

There will be more people reading about boxing, today, than is normally the case. I just don't like them to be even the least bit mislead...

For the record- I truly believe that Bernard Hopkins was a better middleweight than Ray Robinson. Ray Robinson's lb4lb greatness has lead people to rate him as the best middleweight ever, which I don't believe he was.
Lb4lb, Robinson is of course far greater than Hopkins, however.

Yes, if the weight is specified, I can see the point. But I tend to view Sugar Ray in terms of his entire career. Much in the manner that I take the career of Henry Armstrong. I also agree with widely held view that Sugar Ray was at his best at Welterweight, though, again, looking at SRR as a welterweight--alone-- would leave a lot off the total picture.

Hopkins spent all but a minute part of his entire career at middleweight. He is, thus, best compared to others with similar careers. The way I see it, comparisons of the sort will favor Bernard.

Data is insufficient to form a solid opinion of Bernard as a LightHeavy. As far as I know he has had only two fights in that division: his debut (when he tipped the scale at 177) and the last. Such insufficiency of data however cannot prevent speculations on how he would have fared as LightHeavy. The manner that he dealt with Tarver will get a majority hyper-ventilating about the prospect. However, if he keeps to his planned retirement, the speculations will remain merely as such.

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good post but if anyone thinks Hop is better the Ray they need to do some boxing homework

Thanks!

You have entered a reply that is too short....

[JuicyJuice]

They said the same thing about Ezzard, Archie and Bob after Spinks beat Holmes.

Today, while people talk of Spinks as being one of the top five best LightHeavies in history, seldom--if at all-- do they put him above those three. His feat, though singular (as is Hopkins'), has not and cannot, by and of itself, elevate him to the top most.

You're right, jabs. People should take the matter in proper perspective. Hopkins did a great one that not only put the best exclamation point seen in years (possibly, ever) to end a sports career, but also put boxing in the best light it has been under recently--a light that the sport sorely needed. For that, along with the other high watermarks of his carrer, Hopkins will always be The Bernard Hopkins. But comparisons with SRR in terms of talent and skills (even, perhaps, genius) shall only serve to diminish Hopkins instead of bring him up. It shall be unfair not only to Sugar Ray but also to Bernard.

Let us not make the ghost of Robinson haunt Hopkin's accomplishments.

You won't put Spinks ahead of Billy Conn, either.

[THE REAL NINJA]

You won't put Spinks ahead of Billy Conn, either.

myself maybe but not over Archie