How come Sweet Pea never lost a point for bending below the waist?

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • McNulty
    Hamsterdam
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • May 2007
    • 6576
    • 430
    • 348
    • 28,319

    #1

    How come Sweet Pea never lost a point for bending below the waist?

    Never lost a point and pretty sure was never warned. Why?

  • TonyGe
    Undisputed Champion
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Dec 2016
    • 11867
    • 379
    • 149
    • 173,865

    #2
    Good question. I didn't like Sweet Pea at first but I became a fan because he was a tough and very skilled fighter. The ducking is clearly illegal but he got a pass. I have no idea why he got away with it. That said, he didn't need that move to be a great fighter. He was good enough to come up with something else. IMO anyway.

    Comment

    • juggernaut666
      Banned
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Mar 2015
      • 15544
      • 1,226
      • 500
      • 87,472

      #3
      The commission was fearful he would take them to court and claim discrimination bc he used the name " Sweet Pea " so they encouraged him to go down below as much as he likes .

      Comment

      • DuckAdonis
        Undisputed Champion
        Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
        • Jul 2017
        • 7775
        • 197
        • 84
        • 188,446

        #4
        American fighter, hometown referee... as simple as that

        Comment

        • sunny31
          Undisputed Champion
          Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
          • Feb 2006
          • 5780
          • 450
          • 35
          • 128,703

          #5
          Originally posted by McNulty
          Never lost a point and pretty sure was never warned. Why?

          When has anyone lost a point?

          Comment

          • McNulty
            Hamsterdam
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • May 2007
            • 6576
            • 430
            • 348
            • 28,319

            #6
            Originally posted by TonyGe
            The ducking is clearly illegal but he got a pass. I have no idea why he got away with it. That said, he didn't need that move to be a great fighter. He was good enough to come up with something else. IMO anyway.
            It's a rule that's not enforced and meant to be interpreted depending on the circumstance. It's meant for novices that can't see the punches coming because they're bent too low.

            It's natural to face the ground when bobbing for a novice. Good trainers will tell you to always face the opponent.

            If you're limber and talented enough you can bend super low and never really expose your head like Sweet Pea. Nobody envisioned the application however long ago the rule was made. It has little to do with the waist but moreso intended for vision.

            Clinching is against the rules as well, but rarely enforced until it becomes holding. The fear is holding and hitting (as well as extended periods of no action) which is why the rule is interpretated like it is.

            Originally posted by DuckAdonis
            American fighter, hometown referee... as simple as that
            Yea sure lol.

            Originally posted by sunny31
            When has anyone lost a point?
            Never heard of anyone in Boxing history. Curious to hear from those that know more than I do.

            Comment

            • Redd Foxx
              Hittin' the heavy bag.
              Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
              • Dec 2011
              • 22007
              • 1,180
              • 2,316
              • 1,257,197

              #7
              So did Mike Tyson. It's not enforced unless it creates a problem, like getting hit in the back of the head. I think a ref would be embarrassed to take a point because it's simply not done, and because it's a silly thing to enforce. You can't land any good punches from down there. You simply use it for defense but it's not without it's dangers. You can get clean ko'd leaning like that.

              Comment

              • Caught Square
                CS*
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • Aug 2014
                • 2518
                • 87
                • 52
                • 24,866

                #8
                why would he get a deduction for doing it like a split second as shown vs Oscar in the timestamp of the vid you posted?

                It's just nitpicking really.

                Comment

                • Caught Square
                  CS*
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 2518
                  • 87
                  • 52
                  • 24,866

                  #9
                  The only time it was really noticeable was when he was cornered against Trinidad and did it for a few seconds but that fight was a decisive loss, didn’t benefit him and had no impact on the fight.

                  Comment

                  • boliodogs
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • May 2008
                    • 33358
                    • 824
                    • 1,782
                    • 309,589

                    #10
                    He should have been but he never was because he was a big star and sometimes they can break the rules without penalties. When he fought Trinidad he deliberately went down 3 different times to avoid punishment. Each of those should have been scored as knock downs against him but they were not. Sometimes he would dip so low one knee would be on the canvas and he got away with that as well.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP