Comments Thread For: Joshua Promoter: We Want Wilder By Year's End - Even in U.S.

[Scipio2009]

Big talk but we know he's not fighting Wilder in the states. Hearn has built a profitable thing over there in the UK. He's going to tap into that.

Anthony Joshua is not going to get bigger than he got in the UK for the Klitschko fight.

The Wilder fight (s) give Joshua the opportunity to become a global attraction (PPV in the US, PPV in the UK, live event with MGM Resorts).

If you believe that Anthony Joshua truly could be the heavyweight king, there's no reason to not take the chance; there'll be at least two Wilder fights anyway (if Joshua fights valiantly, win or lose, he could still head back to the UK and be a box office star while he rebuilds for his next title shot; David Haye, Tyson Fury, Dillian Whyte all draw money, a fight with David Price may be still worth money, and I have no doubt that Matchroom Sport can push fights against Joe Joyce and Daniel DuBois in events. Exclude whatever fights that Frank Warren blocks.).

[Scipio2009]

IMO Joshua is losing alotta cashish fighting in the U.S. as opposed to the 50-90K fans he gets in the U.S. And really, how many UK fans can afford the trip to see him fight here? Or even the getting off work part? Hearn should think it out more. England should be where the real champ Joshua wins all the marbles. It would be a mammoth event there.

Having said that, and taking money out of the equation, the location isn't as important as the fight itself getting made. Wilder just has to back off the 50/50 b.s. and let this thing happen. Even 40% of this huge fight is way bigger than anything he's ever made. And he knows that. He should also know HE makes more $$ if it's fought in England, because it's a much bigger fight there than here.

If MGM Resorts pays to host the fight (Cotto-Alvarez got a site fee of $15m; hosting the first fight for an undisputed heavyweight champion should garner something near that or more), selling the volume of tickets isn't as serious. Money talks.

Beyond that, what is Wilder's 50/50 even counting? The package is what really matters; if Joshua keeps the UK money for himself, while Wilder gets most of the US money, who says that that's a bad deal?

[Straightener]

It's like Fast Eddie has already won the fight against Parker...

BIG MISTAKE!!!

Its his job to look past the next fight

Joshua is the one fighting

[DougalDylan]

AJ has been pissing VADA clean for his last few fights already and UKAD piss clean since he started boxing (no way the bronze bummer aka "Wilder the duck" would risk that test because they actually do lengthy bans)

Wilder keeping the WBC belt hostage from AJuice? I think AJuice finally might be able to piss clean by the years end to compete for the WBC title more like it.

[oscar9992]

AJ has been pissing VADA clean for his last few fights already and UKAD piss clean since he started boxing (no way the bronze bummer aka "Wilder the duck" would risk that test because they actually do lengthy bans)

Wilder will take some PEDs for himself to jump out from potential Joshua bout.

[pollywog]

Get a life punctuation ****, this is a boxing site where we discuss boxing and not English grammar.

And oh, you have to promise me you would shove the *fullstops*, commas, apostrophes etc deep down where the sun doesn't shine.

Fair deal?

Thing is champ...

You ain't discussing **** about boxing . You're just insulting people's intelligence with your uninformed and worthless trolling opinion and bad grammar.

But hey, as long as your ignorant dumbass is happy, who am I to spoil it for you.

Knock yourself out champ!

[Nightfall]

Wilder stops the defenseless no chin Joshua in 4. no doubt

[sotgoda]

This goes to the point most reasonable people have said before. There is more money to be made in Vegas but AJ's delusional fans deny that. Why would Eddie and AJ consider Vegas if not for that? But there are too many online experts who don't know jack about how things work. The location is probably also why Wilder thinks it should be 50/50 but of course, AJ's delusional fans will jump on him for that. Let's see how these play out. Wilder is actually doing AJ a favor by fighting Ortiz whom AJ avoided like a plague. Hopefully both guys win their fights and we can put an end to the nonsense going on here.

[Holler]

There is more money to be made in Vegas

Can you demonstrate that? Any evidence? The money in the UK is real, it's been demonstrated repeatedly. At the moment, the US riches are conjecture because Wilder hasn't broken through in the US market.

Nothing has changed since the last thread, though perhaps Hearn's words perhaps signal that he's been getting positive signals from US broadcasters and venues

AJ's team wouldn't mind fighting Wilder in the US if sufficient interest is drummed up to make it into a big ppv draw. It could pay off in several ways. Forget the 'legacy' nonsense that will be trotted out once the contracts signed. If it goes right it would generate a lot of money, whilst building interest in AJ in the US market and pleasing existing and potential sponsors if enough exposure results. Fights that do massive business also have a curious tendency to end in controversial circumstances with the result left open to question necessitating another bite at the cherry down the line, sometimes even a third.

All good news. However the reality at the moment however is that Wilder has yet to demonstrate sufficient box office appeal and if the fight were to take place at present it's unlikely that revenues generated would get close to what AJ is already making domestically. So why take the risk of fighting the undoubtedly dangerous Wilder in front of Adelaide Byrd for less money than AJ could make back home? Is he supposed to view Wilder as a charity case?

Hearn's analysts will be looking closely at the figures for Wilder Ortiz, speaking to the networks and the casinos and trying to gauge interest levels. Unless and until those figures make sense to them the fight won't be taking place in the US and Wilder will have to either accept AJ's terms to come to London when he's ready for him or continue to fight substandard opposition for relative chump change in his homeland.

[Sledgeweather17]

IMO Joshua is losing alotta cashish fighting in the U.S. as opposed to the 50-90K fans he gets in the U.S. And really, how many UK fans can afford the trip to see him fight here? Or even the getting off work part? Hearn should think it out more. England should be where the real champ Joshua wins all the marbles. It would be a mammoth event there.

Having said that, and taking money out of the equation, the location isn't as important as the fight itself getting made. Wilder just has to back off the 50/50 b.s. and let this thing happen. Even 40% of this huge fight is way bigger than anything he's ever made. And he knows that. He should also know HE makes more $$ if it's fought in England, because it's a much bigger fight there than here.

If he asks for 40 percent like you say he should, then Hearn will try to negotiate down to 35 or 30 percent like he did with Parker.

Wilder aint ******. Asking for 50 percent guarentees him the 40 percent deal, which is exactly what he wants.

You never ask for what you want/deserve in negotiations, you always ask for more so that when the other side inevitably tries to negotiate down, you go down to where you already thought you wanted/deserved to be in the first place.