Is Deontay Wilder proving that skills do not matter in HW division

[oscar9992]

You need less skills, but not no skills. That is why Ali was so successful. He was a large HW with speed, reflexes and a great chin up agaisnt a lot of smaller and slower fighters who weren't very polished.

Ali isn't large HW by modern standarts... 6'3 & 210-215 lbs.

Very small HW or even Cruiserweight by modern boxing standarts.

[W1LL]

Deontay Wilder is more skilled than most. His skills are just very unorthodox. A lot of you morons ain't able to recognise true skill. The most traditionally skilled performance by a Heavyweight boxer was Hughie Fury's masterclass against Joseph Parker. And 99% of people are eager to bury his performance as running and stinking the place out.

[Mr Objecitivity]

1) Weight, size, punching power and physical strength usually plays the most significant factor in deciding boxing bouts in the modern heavyweight division. This is based on the fact that in the last 2 decades, the best heavyweights and the most dominant heavyweights have been the most powerful punchers, the physically strongest boxers and the heaviest boxers (who outweighed most of their opponents). Even if there are slight disadvantages in skills compared to some lighter boxers, the strongest and most powerful heavyweights can overcome their slight disadvantages in skills using their superior physical strength, punching power and weight.

2) However, an extremely skilled lighter / smaller sized boxer who's boxing skills are far greater than a bigger sized heavyweight's weight advantages or power advantages, can overcome their lack of size and punching power by imposing their superior boxing skills. But they will need to have a significant advantage in skills, to the point where if the heavier boxer is 2x more powerful in punching power, they will have to be more than 2x more skilled than the heavier and more powerful boxer.

3) A boxer who is skilled + has punching power, size (weight) and physical strength is most likely going to defeat a boxer who only has one of those attributes.

So in conclusion:

1) If a boxer has significantly greater punching power than his opponents, and has significantly greater physical strength than his opponents and is significantly bigger than his opponents in size. That boxer doesn't have to be too skilled and can overcome his lack of skills by using those aforementioned advantages.

2) If a boxer has significant advantages in boxing skills over his opponents. Then that boxer doesn't need to be too big in size, or require too much punching power since they can make up for the lack of those abilities using their advantages in boxing skills.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Deontay Wilder is more skilled than most. His skills are just very unorthodox. A lot of you morons ain't able to recognise true skill. The most traditionally skilled performance by a Heavyweight boxer was Hughie Fury's masterclass against Joseph Parker. And 99% of people are eager to bury his performance as running and stinking the place out.

Running = creating distance for not getting hit by the opponents without attacking / punching the opponent in return.

Boxing = being in a position to land punches on the opponent without getting hit in return.

What Fury did wasn't 'boxing' skills but 'survival' and 'running' skills.

[juggernaut666]

Wilder is 6'7 and very fast . He has a 83 inch reach and can punch . Im pretty sure the normal boxer isnt going to look at him and think they dont need skill bc Wilder himself said he doesnt .


Lets see Wilder himself and see what the skilless fighter is actually working with !


ATTRIBUTES

Speed : 4.5

Overall Power : 4

Accuracy : 4

Footwork : 3

Balance: 2

Defense : 3

Chin ( reactions to getting hit ) : 3

Stamina : 5


ABILITIES


Jab: 3.5 ( Power delivered 4 )

Right hand : 5 ( Power delivered 5 )

Left hook : 2 ( Power delivered 3 )

Upper cut : 2 ( power delivered 2.5 )

Body Punching : 2 ( power delivered 2 )

Combination Punching : 2

Ring IQ : 4

Ring Generalship : 3

Use of Height /Reach : 4.5


Wilders overall abilities are limited but what he does best is effective . Wilders claim he doesnt need skill has worked so far .His two best opponents were ...

1 . Washington , a green fighter with 18 fights .

2. Stiverne a short counter puncher .


Neither of these guys are top 10 level , but it doesnt take the danger factor away from Wilder himself . He hasnt lost yet and he actually probably hasnt stepped it up yet he still has to PROVE he can . His resume is awful and you cant blame that on ONE guy ........( Povetkin )!


He gets away with relying on less skill bc of the things i posted here ,

[alexguiness]

Both Joshua AND Wilder are examples that highlight the fact that pure skill is secondary to physicality in the HW division.

[Just looking]

Being fit seems to be the bigger advantage you can get in HW division. A lot of guys don't seem to train properly

[Just looking]

This is a point that I mentioned in another thread. As a USA boxing fan, I pull for DW but I don't hold back in saying he's not the most polished heavy out there. In fact early in his career my friend was all on his jock while I was telling him that Wilder needs to develop his skills.

The proof will be in the pudding when AJ & DW get together because I think AJ has put more into developing his fundamentals and he has showed me that he can make adjustments during a fight, which a lot of fighters can't do. Now if they meet and DW KOs his azz, it will really open the door for the argument that pure speed and power can negate ring generalship and skills. It's the edge DW has over AJ in my view.

Now if JP upsets AJ in March that might blow my chances of seeing what will prevail.

*Wilder said "all you need is power" ??? ........ I think he's holding back on the other half of the equation, speed.
SPEED BEATS POWER

When did Joshua make adjustments? Even the combo to land the uppercut in Wlad was exact the same he throwed in round 3 and other moments. Give me an example please.
On the other hand, I've seen Wilder making adjustments a lot. Against Duhappas he went for the in-fight. Against Szpilka he started to launch that short right after seeing the guy over-using the looping left. Against Washington he broke the rhytim to land that right. I've said before, he is smarter than people think

[hugh grant]

If people can't get out of way o your punches I guess you don't need skills.
But if they got a chin then foirget points win it ain't happening

[Andre_parker1]

we can't answer that until he faces a primed or getting to prime fighter like joshua who has the combination of power and skills..then we'll find out,ortiz has the skills but he's gonna have a physical let down as he is not as athletic as wilder or joshua atleast not anymore due to age