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Originally posted by travestyny View PostLMAO. You're scared of me so you're trying to get another idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about involved. LMAO. Funny stuff.
1. The needed wasn't illegal. That's a fact.
2. LMAO. Retro TUE means USADA is illegal. That would mean WADA is illegal, moronIt's WADA's rule.
3. How is it like "getting caught" if the DCO was present, a sample was taken before the IV and after the IV.....
and an IV masks by DILUTION.....yet the sample was checked 2 separate times...FOR DILUTION.
The problem is you dudes are too ****** to know what you're talking about, and definitely too ****** to know what a fact is.
Anything else I can help you with?
2) Floyd applied for a retroactive The****utic Use Exemption. Meaning WADA can allow an Athlete to use banned substance if it is to treat a medical condition. A retroactive TUE is given if the medical condition is an emergency.
Was Floyd suffering a serious medical condition and how did this IV treat it. They are claims Floyd was dehydrated, but since he weighed in at 147lbs and claims to be 149lbs in the ring, it is impossible that Floyd was dehydrated let alone so seriously dehydrated than it was a medical emergency.
3) Floyd could not produce a sufficient sample before, if he did the DCO wouldn't need to collect again.
Also this IV is used by PED taker to mask PEDs in the system or that might be put in the system, giving Floyd an opportunity to take PEDs for the fight and still pass the post fight blood test.
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Originally posted by Gigantes View Postlol mother's basement, good one. you know nothing about me and yet you call me an idiot. nice one tough guy
You would be on his ass and cheering, OH HE'S THE GREATEST CYCLIST OF ALL TIME. Same thing you'd do with every top fighter in boxing.
Go outside and let me know when you get a glimpse of how the real world works because by the way you're posting - it shows you have no sense of reality.
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post1) The IV Floyd Took is banned
Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post2) Floyd applied for a retroactive The****utic Use Exemption. Meaning WADA can allow an Athlete to use banned substance if it is to treat a medical condition. A retroactive TUE is given if the medical condition is an emergency.
Go complain to WADA. A clear statement from a WADA spokesperson says that a retro TUE can be given for dehydration:
WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative.
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative...eather-iv-tue/
Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostWas Floyd suffering a serious medical condition and how did this IV treat it. They are claims Floyd was dehydrated, but since he weighed in at 147lbs and claims to be 149lbs in the ring, it is impossible that Floyd was dehydrated let alone so seriously dehydrated than it was a medical emergency.
Again, what you are saying makes no sense. De La Hoya weighed in at 145 and rehydrated to 147. According to you, he couldn't possibly be dehydrated. Do you stand by that statement? Yes or no? Don't duck the question if you want to keep this going.
Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post3) Floyd could not produce a sufficient sample before, if he did the DCO wouldn't need to collect again.
Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostAlso this IV is used by PED taker to mask PEDs in the system or that might be put in the system, giving Floyd an opportunity to take PEDs for the fight and still pass the post fight blood test.
And no way an IV would allow someone to pass a drug test given the next day. How the **** can an IV allow you to pass a blood test on the next day?
You're out of your element here. Give up.
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Originally posted by travestyny View PostYou dudes aren't too bright. It's banned UNLESS there is a TUE. That whole "unless" part, you know, means it's not banned
In Floyd's case this doesn't apply. He wasn't allowed to use a banned substances. He was allowed to use a banned method. And again, being that he was ALLOWED to use it, it wasn't banned.
Go complain to WADA. A clear statement from a WADA spokesperson says that a retro TUE can be given for dehydration:
Serious enough that an independent group of doctors without his name on the TUE application approved of the application.
Again, what you are saying makes no sense. De La Hoya weighed in at 145 and rehydrated to 147. According to you, he couldn't possibly be dehydrated. Do you stand by that statement? Yes or no? Don't duck the question if you want to keep this going.
What the **** is the point of this besides embarrassing yourself, fool. IF HE COUDN'T PROVIDE A SUFFICIENT SAMPLE, DOESN'T THAT PROVE HE WAS DEHYDRATED?
An IV masks by dilution. The DCO checks the urine for dilution. The independent lab who doesn't even have the athletes' names on the samples then check the urine for dilution. The urine is not allowed to be diluted.
And no way an IV would allow someone to pass a drug test given the next day. How the **** can an IV allow you to pass a blood test on the next day?
You're out of your element here. Give up.
It's a banned method, it on the list.
Damn you are ******.
4.3 An Athlete may only be grant ed retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE ) if: a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or 11 2015 ISTUE – 20 February 2014 c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE ; or [Comment to 4.3(c) : Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following Sample collection.] d. It is agreed , by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made , that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE . [Comment to 4.3(d) : If WADA and/or the Anti -Doping Organization do not agree to the application of Article 4.3(d), that may not be challenged either as a defense to proceedings for an anti-doping rule violation, or by way of appeal, or otherwise.]
If USADA failed to grant Floyd this TUE, Floyd would have been found guilty and have a 2-4 year ban.
This would have ended USADA's involvement in boxing.
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostIt's a banned method, it on the list.
Damn you are ******.
4.3 An Athlete may only be grant ed retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE ) if: a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or 11 2015 ISTUE – 20 February 2014 c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE ; or [Comment to 4.3(c) : Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following Sample collection.] d. It is agreed , by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made , that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE . [Comment to 4.3(d) : If WADA and/or the Anti -Doping Organization do not agree to the application of Article 4.3(d), that may not be challenged either as a defense to proceedings for an anti-doping rule violation, or by way of appeal, or otherwise.]
Read it again, chump. You can't win
Once again, it's not banned IF A TUE IS GRANTED! You are brain dead, as usual. Simple question, IS IT ALLOWED IF A TUE IS GRANTED
YOU BIG DUMMY.
Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostIf USADA failed to grant Floyd this TUE, Floyd would have been found guilty and have a 2-4 year ban.
This would have ended USADA's involvement in boxing.LMAOOOOO! Give the **** up. I'm tired of owning you.
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostIt's a banned method, it on the list.
Damn you are ******.Like most substances and methods on the WADA Prohibited List, the use of IVs in this manner is prohibited without a TUE.
https://www.usada.org/wp-content/upl...Tom-Hauser.pdf
LMAOOO. LOOK WHO'S ******....******. ARE YOU CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE?
So um...what does that say? It is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE. That would mean that with a TUE, it is NOT prohibited
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Originally posted by travestyny View PostLMAOOO. LOOK WHO'S ******....******. ARE YOU CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE?
So um...what does that say? It is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE. That would mean that with a TUE, it is NOT prohibited
That is USADA's response.
I posted you the actual rule from WADA that USADA are meant to follow.
Any substance or method on the banned list is banned.
It not hard to understand even someone like you with a sub par IQ should be able to work it out
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Originally posted by travestyny View PostRead it again, chump. You can't win
Once again, it's not banned IF A TUE IS GRANTED! You are brain dead, as usual. Simple question, IS IT ALLOWED IF A TUE IS GRANTED
YOU BIG DUMMY.
USADA is so involved in boxing nowLMAOOOOO! Give the **** up. I'm tired of owning you.
On what grounds was it granted?
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