What "evidence" is there Pacquaio is on roids?

[Bjl12]

So you're a tough guy like Robbie too huh.

Rather than give evidence to the thread topic, you resort to name calling.

A lot of guys doped, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Floyd, Marquez etc. I don't need to give evidence for those because this isn't a thread about them. If you want evidence for those guys go make your own thread and I'll go in and give you evidence.

All of the stuff you posted is not evidence, it's just school girl drama that you hear from other school girls.
Pac:
-ran from OSDT for Y E A R S (I guess you're a chump who will bend over after someone comes into your work place to make demands)
-said giving blood weakened him (physicians refuted this) (he said this in the morales fight even before the who fiasco with Floyd- He's a superstitious guy too why wouldn't he believe it if he felt like that in the past)
-says he was afraid of needles (has tattoos) (show me where HE said he was afraid of needles)
-required a CUTOFF date to suspend OSDT (E X T R E M E L Y SU****IOUS) (he agreed to cut off day and Floyd continues to push it back)
-denied OSDT during 3rd JMM fight (again he's going with the actual rules of boxing)
-did all of this while moving up weight classes and increasing power while increasing stamina - nearly impossible...at the Puberty age of 29 years (he was 144 pounds when he fought at 130, he always had his speed/power, and yet that speed/power still wasn't enough to knock out welterweights.

Nice try, answer the question before trying to turn this into a whiny girl fight.

Pacquiao didn't hire a known steroid cheat like Marquez did you dumb ass.

Welcome to the ignore list

When you make too much sense, like Bjl12 , you get ignored.

Feelsgoodman

And enjoy living in alternate reality where Pac didn't juice to the gills lmfaoooo

[Robbie Barrett]

How about adding in Manny attempting to cheat with Toradol.


His personal physician said he was at full strength going into the Mayweather fight.

Then the same personal physician beings the process of shooting him up with Toradol. The same drug that pro football players say makes them feel like they can run through a brick wall and not feel it. The same drug that numbs your ENTIRE BODY, not just a local drug.

The doctor pulls it out and gets ready to shoot him up (no ****), NSAC steps in and stops it. Two NSAC doctors check out Manny and determine that he is fine. The doctor who was attempting to shoot him up say he doesn't need the shot (what kind of doctor shoots a boxer up with toradol and at the same time admits it's not needed?). Some within WADA believe that Toradol is a performance enhancing drug, though it is not illegal under NSAC rules unless it is being taken without proof of an injury. And we know that not only was there no proof, but Manny and his doctor both went on record saying he was fine.

An attempt to cheat is not proof, but if you are going to weigh all the evidence that he may have, add that into your list.

Yep. They still claim Pacquiao wasn't injured going in to the fight. So why was he trying to take pain killers? Guy is a cheat.

[GrandmasterWang]

I also am curious about the evidence. So far in the thread I haven't seen anything besides mostly hearsay. I was hoping to discover something I didn't already know in this thread.

Balance of probabilities I personally am of the belief that Pacquiao used Peds at some stage in his career but there isn't much evidence of such around.

I must say it's been amusing to see some of the die-hard Floyd supporters responses. They seem happy to throw Ped accusations at Manny (fair enough) without presenting any real evidence. However I have seen these very same posters turn a blind eye and cover their ears when confronted with the possibility of their hero Floyd Mayweather Jr using Peds... despite the evidence of Floyd's Ped use. Such blatant hypocrisy on display amuses me.

You mentioned Hopkins being a Ped user... what evidence is there that Hopkins used Peds? His longevity? I don't see that as evidence especially when he was clearly ageing.

[travestyny]

It's kind of silly to ask for solid evidence of PED use.


If there were solid evidence, then he would have been suspended. Solid evidence is a failed drug test. Point blank, period.


The lack thereof doesn't stop Pacquiao fans from accusing other boxers of PED use.

[JJRod]

There is no concrete evidence, just speculation.

I remember way back before the fight had even started being negotiated Floyd was already saying he was going to ask for Olympic style testing. They asked Roach and his advisor Koncz what they thought about Floyd wanting this type of testing and both laughed saying it made no difference to them. That Pacquiao would have no problem.

Negotiations began and they started to agree on gloves, weight, a high penalty clause in case Mayweather came in over weight, etc. Fans were exited to have the fight when all of the sudden Pac pulls out because the drug testing. Pac wanted to be tested only 3 times with specific dates. Then Pac's team switched to as many times except 30 days before the fight, then it became 24, 14, 7 etc, and all kinds of silly excuses were made.

Many people like you blame Floyd for demanding drug testing but you don't blame Pacquiao for throwing away the biggest fight at the time for a few drops of blood.

[Luilun]

Did anyone ever measure his head from before and after? What pictures do people base his head growth on?

Again when I played baseball in high school I was a 7 1/8, in college 7/14, now I'm at 7 1/2 and I've never taken steroids/HGH nor am I a fat pig lol

Look at the Morales and first Marquez fight than look at his head today

[creekrat77]

you go back and look at the pictures... first his head is small then it grew. come on man...

that man went from a size 7 1/4 to an 8.. in a fitted hat! come on man... im just saying. all im asking for is a little bit of blood.

Floyd's head got huge too doe

[techliam]

uncle rog was talking bout peds y0. a-side meth. lmao!!!

crack head misunderstood "agimat" as a-side meth! lol!! that's how you know you a crack head.


"agimat" is suppose to be some stuff filipino soldiers took during the war because they believe this stuff gives them special power that will protect them from bullets (which there is no truth to it).

Man, good job you clarified that.... almost had me

[Cheek busting]

you go back and look at the pictures... first his head is small then it grew. come on man...

that man went from a size 7 1/4 to an 8.. in a fitted hat! come on man... im just saying. all im asking for is a little bit of blood.

His head always looked big for his body, especially at lighter weights cause he was sucking so much weight.

As he moved up in weight, or really just stopped cutting weight, his face got fuller, his head didn't actually get bigger.

You can find, and post pictures that make head look bigger cause of different angles, lighting, background references, etc.

But his cranium did not "grow" - his face just got fuller.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

Pure speculation. The same people accusing him of roids praise fighters that have been caught red handed doing PED’s (Toney, Roy Jones jr, Holyfield etc)

Quite ironic