What "evidence" is there Pacquaio is on roids?

[McNulty]

lol I was responding to mcnulty's quote. In mcnulty's quote he stated "an increase of UP to 20lbs" from his 130/135 days.

I didn't get it either

I never said UP to. Below is the original quote you ******.

how he would put on close to 20lbs in unofficial weigh-ins

If you can't read, we can't debate. Ignored.

Do you have proof that he was puttin 20 pounds after weigh in?

If you don't learn to read I'm ignoring you. Nobody rewrites my words and continues to interact with me.

[HanzGruber]

lol did he really? I'd like to see that link, u got one?

Dude change that sig already

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...crackdown/amp/

[Robbie Barrett]

I agreed with you that his "afraid of needles" was dumb.

I agree with what you've posted. But he did agree to 14 days and then Floyd said 7. He agreed to 7 and Floyd said up to fight night. This info is available with a quick google search too.

That never happened. He never asked for 7. 14 day cut off was the final offer. Stop making **** up.

[Gigantes]

I saw an interview with Brian Kenny I believe where he said himself that he wouldn't even do a 15 day cut off. That came off as suspect to me.

Yea it seems like the only "evidence" would be the not agreeing to testing/cut off. But besides that, are there any others?

[HanzGruber]

Funny how folks said Manny had a big head but you've seen Floyd's, looks like a giant milk dude. Don't even need to add the baldness, roid rage, taking long breaks etc, but that's another topic

Floyd isn't bald he shaves his head. Did you see him after jail? He had an Afro lol

[sunny31]

So far it's just been "head got bigger" "Paulie said so" "back acne".

As for the punches, wasn't he always throwing a lot of punches though? And in that Oscar fight, he was peppering him but did Oscar really look hurt? And which one is it, Manny's punches are roided or Oscar was a zombie? Throwing 80-100 punches a round but if the opponent is a punching bag/zombie, isn't that a possible thing to accomplish?

Yea I hear you, with time things may come out, but at the moment I wasn't really sure what was out there besides not wanting to give into an outrageous demand (at that moment)

It wasn't just the Oscar fight though. His work rate was always good but during his 122-126 days it was more like I described earlier lots of throw away punches mixed in with hard shots. But all of a sudden at WW throwing 1200 HARD punches and not looking tired, turning it up with 90-100 punch rounds late in fights.

This is all circumstantial of course and I don't think there is genuine evidence otherwise it would have surfaced. I use to be like you, innocent until proven guilty, until I read books about Armstrong and how he would never have got caught and there was no real evidence out there had he not comeback, and it still wasn't failed tests which ultimately took him down it was teammates like Floyd Landis and a concerted effort from people like Travis Tygart.

So the lack of evidence is neither here nor there for me. Remember cycling is probably the most aware sport in terms of catching cheats and testing. Boxing is in the stone age in comparison.

Things to not overlook though, is that Pac improved as a fighter and that certainly added to the effect.

[j.razor]

Besides the fact that he initially refused to allow Floyd to make demands not specified within the boxing commission and do something outside of the set rules, what other "evidence/facts" is there that Pacquiao was using steroids?

If you think about it, his last ko should've been Ricky. (Cotto looked like he could've at least finished the fight had Kenny not stepped in). Even that Hatton knock out was due to all the ducks lining up (close to the end of a round/after a weak lazy jab and not seeing a punch coming-perfect scenario). Manny was never a 1 punch ko guy, he always broke you down with punch after punch after punch.

Him "not knocking people out in years" is pretty dumb since he's been fighting guys who are a lot bigger than he is and who he really shouldn't even have been fighting.

So what else is there that he was roiding.

The only other thing I can think of is Freddy going on camera saying he didn't know what Ariza was giving him, but was Ariza ever caught/charged with anything and did anyone ever prove what he was giving Manny had any form of PED?

You know he did so why ask? I found this someone posted 2 years ago if you want to read & research....

Who is left to blame now?

Let's take*a look back at how things transpired:

- Mayweather begins and popularizes a trend for OST(Olympic Style Testing) in boxing, which many others have now adopted but refuse to give credit to Mayweather for pioneering.

- Pacquiao refuses to take USADA random blood and urine tests ALONGSIDE Mayweather.

- Years later, Team Pacquiao accuses Marquez of being on PEDs when Marquez puts him to sleep. In their next fight, Team Pacquiao demands that Brandon Rios take the every tests that Pacquiao refused for years. Complete hypocrisy.

- Since taking these OST, Pacquiao has NOT had a KO despite having KO's in the 147lb division previously.

- Since taking OST, Pacquiao has not fought even one welterweight since 2011 until he faced Mayweather in 2015. Two of the smaller men beat Pacquiao during that period between 2011-2015.

- Mayweather is not the first fighter to ask for more stringent testing than the state athletic commission. Tyson demanded that Holyfield take additional tests before their second fight .. and Holyfield gladly took them. Manny Pacquiao is THEE ONLY ATHLETE IN HISTORY TO EVER REFUSE PED TESTS TO SHOW TRANSPARENCY.

- Pacquiao, on his knees,*begged for a match against Mayweather publicly but at every turned took issue with the OST and then later he took issue with the purse split DESPITE Pacquiao not legitimately being ranked in the top 20 of any division since 2013. Bob Arum and Top Rank promotions paid the WBO to "INSTALL" Pacquiao from outside the Top 20 and back into the Top 5. This is easily verifiable for anyone who wishes to know the facts and has access to the internet.

- After the fight, Pacquiao stated that he "thought" that he won. He said nothing about any injury. Then, after leaving the ring and having an opportunity to review the fight, Pacquiao realized that he lost and changed his tune to blaming a phantom injury that he must have LIED about previously as he was required to report any and all injuries BEFORE the fight.

- Arum has gone on record to say that Manny Pacquiao was 100% before the fight and that all of this talk of being injured BEFORE the fight is a LIE.

Pacquiao is so desperate for money because he is so in debt he would have claimed that Floyd stabbed him in the ring to get a rematch for another payday.

But with his thorough defeat, Manny Pacquiao is no longer a PPV attraction.*Pacquiao no longer has a mega-fight to hold out for that will keep his name relevant without him having to do something championship-worthy.

Who could Pacquiao fight next that would keep the perception of him being a top boxer alive?

At 147lbs, Pacquiao would HAVE TO fight Brook, Thurman, Porter or Khan.

At 140lbs, Pacquiao would have to fight Garcia, Matthysse, Peterson or Herrera.

I don't see Pacquiao fighting ANY OF THOSE MEN unless there is some sort of weight manipulation involved or unless one of them loses to someone else first and seems vulnerable.

Manny Pacquiao hasn't gotten old. He hasn't lost a step. He isn't injured or at the very least his phantom injury did not affect his performance against Mayweather.

What people saw on May 2, 2015 was the PED-free version of Manny Pacquiao and they didn't like it. They felt cheated and felt as though there had to be something else to blame because they are unwilling to accept that USADA random tests reveal what a fighter is TRULY capable of.

Two things people who really want to know the truth(FACTS) should do:

1 - Go to FIGHTHYPE .com and type in Mayweather-Pacquiao timeline part 1 and 2.

2 - Go to the search box in YouTube and type in "Mayweather vs Mosley - Pacquiao EXPOSED".

You'll have all the facts and all the ammunition you need for a smoking gun once viewing those two sources of information.

Brace yourself. Not everyone does well with the truth.
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[redmish]

What are you on about? People on here don't need evidence. Any fighter who has a good run of results gets accused on here, and if they move up a weight its official. 90% of accusations on this forum is total fabrication.

[Gigantes]

Dude change that sig already

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...crackdown/amp/

Thanks for the link. Yea guess he did it when he was younger and before champ.

[_Maxi]

I never said UP to. Below is the original quote you ******.

how he would put on close to 20lbs in unofficial weigh-ins

If you can't read, we can't debate. Ignored.



If you don't learn to read I'm ignoring you. Nobody rewrites my words and continues to interact with me.

Tell me the evidence Pacquiao was rehydrating close to 20 lbs.

And the evidence of him saying he was afraid of needles.