Comments Thread For: Jessie Vargas Feels He Has a Good Shot To Land Keith Thurman

[jjsmyth87]

This show how clueless you are about the boxing world. PBC usually fight each other, 1, because the fights are obviously easier to make, 2, and most importantly, because PBC get their fighters big paydays. Thurman-garcia each guy got 2 mils for that fight. Loma-Rigo, which was arguably top rank most hyped fight of 2017, Rigo only got $400k!! What fighter wants to fight for half the money their worth. Once GBP and TR start offering decent paydays, you'll see PBC fighters fight them more often.

BTW, you argue Spence would he better of signing with TR...well, he's a free agent. Why do you think he hasn't signed with TR or any other promotion company? Why you think Mikey and chavezJr fought so hard to break free from TR? Why you think then they all finally break free from their promotion company, they all end up with Haymon? Connect the dots..

Hahaha I cant believe your telling me im clueless when you make a post like that which shows you are the clueless one. First of all when did I complain or say it was wrong with Pbc fighters fighting each other? I was just pointing out the fact that Pbc fighters cherry pick and are reluctant to face other top fighters whether Pbc or not. Second of all Loma Rigo was not their most hyped fight last year. In fact people on here were complaining because there was little promotion and they didnt have a press conference until a couple days before the fight. Rigo fell off the map when he left Top Rank and cant draw flies to **** and fights on undercards. Lomas fight agaiinst Marriage only had 750k viewers and to put the icing on the cake they put the fight at the small 6000 seat theatre at Msg instead of the main arena, and Rigo was jumping 2 weight classes. Nobody expected it to get over 2 million viewers. It was supposed to be a fight for the hardcore fans. Loma got paid 1.2 mill which is more than broner, mikey garcia, and almost everyone else at Pbc makes. Garcia Thurman on the other hand actually was a really hyped fight, title unification, they both headlined cards and were considered 2 of the top at 147. Its no comparison. Crawford got 2 million plus a percent of the gate while Indongo also got a 7 figure payday. So we know they got at least 3 million combined and possibly 4. The viewership for that fight peaked around a million which wasnt bad considering Indongo wasnt a star like Thurman or Garcia. Thurman Garcia peaked at over 5 million viewers, 5x as much as Crawford Indongo, way bigger fight which could have been on ppv but yet they got around the same purse as Crawford Indongo. So you tell me who doesnt pay well. Lomas 1.2 mill for fighting Rigo was more than Thurman, Broner, Danny Garcia, or almost everyone on Pbc gets for a regular fight. Rigo got 400k because he doesnt have a big fanbase and was fighting for 100k a fight before that. And you said once they start paying more youll see them fight Top Rank and Golden boy fighters yet Broner was offered 4 million to fight Pacquiao which is 4x his highest payday and he turned it down.

Second of all he hasnt signed with a promoter because his adviser Al Haymon advises all his fighters not to sign to a promoter so that Haymon can keep them fighting on Pbc. People are finally coming around to see that Haymon is holding them back which is why Carl Frampton and Danny Jacobs signed with promoters as well as Khan who has a new advisor now. Chavez jr and Mikey Garcia left Top Rank because they wanted to cherry pick who they fought. Chavez Jr was offered a 2 fight deal with the first fight being Ggg and 10-17 million depending if he beat Ggg or not. He ran scared because he didnt want to fight Ggg. Then he went to Pbc and his career went way downhill. He could have made 10-17 million for 2 fights and now he wont even make that much the rest of his career. Same reason Mikey left Top Rank, they wanted him to fight Gamboa and were going to give him a career high payday of 1 million and he ran scared to Pbc. When he came back after 2 years he didnt get a million dollar payday until he fought Broner. Instead Crawford beat Gamboa and is making more than twice Mikey is and is on the verge of fighting on Ppv. Its no conparison the Pbc guys have been fighting once a year while Loma, Valdez, Ramirez, Crawford and every other Top Rank fighter fight 2-3 times a year. Pbc fighters dont sign with a promoter because they like cherrypicking and are content with being mediocre and they probably just like to say that they are their own boss but the real champions who want to fight the best and want to become ppv stars fight on Top Rank. Pbc hasnt developed one single ppv star yet while Top Rank developed every ppv star since and including De La Hoya

[chepboxingking]

And by the way Thurman is far from a top dog. It remains to be seen who is Top Dog at 147. Pacquiao and Floyd were the biggest ppv stars in history so of course people called them out to try to get those big paydays. Just like people starting calling out Mcgregor when they saw how well his boxing ppv fight did. I would argue that Spence is pretty close to Thurman in terms of fanbase and also in terms of who people view as the top dog at 147 and you dont see Spence giving excuses why the fight wont happen, he says he wants to fight Thurman every time hes asked and even called out Thurman for the excuses. As of now Thurman is not some huge attraction, hes not even fighting on ppv yet so he should still be hungry. Thats the problem with these Pbc fighters they are not hungry and are content cherry picking and stagnating. Loma and Crawford on the other hand keep getting bigger and will be fighting on Ppv by next year

Lol you're funny dude. Who's the best welterweight right now? Who has two major belts? That's what I mean by top dog. He's the best in the weight class RIGHT NOW; not in the history of all welterweights ever. When you're the top dog, you're no longer the hunter; you're the huntee.

[Dean_Razorback]

when was the last time thurman "KOs for life" stopped someone? collazo? in a BS doctor stoppage?? lol

[chepboxingking]

Hahaha I cant believe your telling me im clueless when you make a post like that which shows you are the clueless one. First of all when did I complain or say it was wrong with Pbc fighters fighting each other? I was just pointing out the fact that Pbc fighters cherry pick and are reluctant to face other top fighters whether Pbc or not. Second of all Loma Rigo was not their most hyped fight last year. In fact people on here were complaining because there was little promotion and they didnt have a press conference until a couple days before the fight. Rigo fell off the map when he left Top Rank and cant draw flies to **** and fights on undercards. Lomas fight agaiinst Marriage only had 750k viewers and to put the icing on the cake they put the fight at the small 6000 seat theatre at Msg instead of the main arena, and Rigo was jumping 2 weight classes. Nobody expected it to get over 2 million viewers. It was supposed to be a fight for the hardcore fans. Loma got paid 1.2 mill which is more than broner, mikey garcia, and almost everyone else at Pbc makes. Garcia Thurman on the other hand actually was a really hyped fight, title unification, they both headlined cards and were considered 2 of the top at 147. Its no comparison. Crawford got 2 million plus a percent of the gate while Indongo also got a 7 figure payday. So we know they got at least 3 million combined and possibly 4. The viewership for that fight peaked around a million which wasnt bad considering Indongo wasnt a star like Thurman or Garcia. Thurman Garcia peaked at over 5 million viewers, 5x as much as Crawford Indongo, way bigger fight which could have been on ppv but yet they got around the same purse as Crawford Indongo. So you tell me who doesnt pay well. Lomas 1.2 mill for fighting Rigo was more than Thurman, Broner, Danny Garcia, or almost everyone on Pbc gets for a regular fight. Rigo got 400k because he doesnt have a big fanbase and was fighting for 100k a fight before that. And you said once they start paying more youll see them fight Top Rank and Golden boy fighters yet Broner was offered 4 million to fight Pacquiao which is 4x his highest payday and he turned it down.

Second of all he hasnt signed with a promoter because his adviser Al Haymon advises all his fighters not to sign to a promoter so that Haymon can keep them fighting on Pbc. People are finally coming around to see that Haymon is holding them back which is why Carl Frampton and Danny Jacobs signed with promoters as well as Khan who has a new advisor now. Chavez jr and Mikey Garcia left Top Rank because they wanted to cherry pick who they fought. Chavez Jr was offered a 2 fight deal with the first fight being Ggg and 10-17 million depending if he beat Ggg or not. He ran scared because he didnt want to fight Ggg. Then he went to Pbc and his career went way downhill. He could have made 10-17 million for 2 fights and now he wont even make that much the rest of his career. Same reason Mikey left Top Rank, they wanted him to fight Gamboa and were going to give him a career high payday of 1 million and he ran scared to Pbc. When he came back after 2 years he didnt get a million dollar payday until he fought Broner. Instead Crawford beat Gamboa and is making more than twice Mikey is and is on the verge of fighting on Ppv. Its no conparison the Pbc guys have been fighting once a year while Loma, Valdez, Ramirez, Crawford and every other Top Rank fighter fight 2-3 times a year. Pbc fighters dont sign with a promoter because they like cherrypicking and are content with being mediocre and they probably just like to say that they are their own boss but the real champions who want to fight the best and want to become ppv stars fight on Top Rank. Pbc hasnt developed one single ppv star yet while Top Rank developed every ppv star since and including De La Hoya

Dude, I'll be honest, I didn't read all that lol I stopped when you said Haymon advises his fighters not to sign with promoter l, and again, you showed how lil you know about boxing.

Haymon advises not to sign with promoter because THEY ALL PAY PEANUTS!! if someone comes around and offered big paydays like Hearn did to Jacobs and Khan, he will advise you to sign. Haymon always have his fighters best Interest at heart and if someone comes with a great offer, he will no doubt advise you to sign.

And you're also wrong about Broner's biggest payday. He got $2 mils for both Paulie and Maidana fight; also got $1.2-1.5 mil range on multiple occasions. Besides, broner has gotten at least $1mil EVERY SINGLE FIGHT since joining Haymon. Broner is a star who gets huge audiences both live and via TV. $4mil for a Pacquiao that will probably generate over $45mil in total revenue is a slap on the face. Haymon is out here taking care of his fighters, making sure theyre all maximizing their earning potential; Promoters aren't, and that's why all fighters are leaving them and joining PBC.

[jjsmyth87]

Lol you're funny dude. Who's the best welterweight right now? Who has two major belts? That's what I mean by top dog. He's the best in the weight class RIGHT NOW; not in the history of all welterweights ever. When you're the top dog, you're no longer the hunter; you're the huntee.

Like I said it remains to be seen who is the best at 147. Thurman has the most belts but that doesnt mean he can beat Spence Crawford or Pacquiao. To me those are the best 4 at 147 and they need to fight each other to determine supremacy. I think Spence and Crawford beats Thurman and I think a Thurman Pacquiao fight would be 50/50

[chepboxingking]

Like I said it remains to be seen who is the best at 147. Thurman has the most belts but that doesnt mean he can beat Spence Crawford or Pacquiao. To me those are the best 4 at 147 and they need to fight each other to determine supremacy. I think Spence and Crawford beats Thurman and I think a Thurman Pacquiao fight would be 50/50

Lol dude, you keep dodging the question. Who's the top dog RIGHT NOWWWW AT WELTERWEIGHT? Who had 2 titles? Not who you, me, or our friends think is the better fighter. Who has the most accolades RIGHT NOW? at that point, your no longer the hunter, you're the huntee

[jjsmyth87]

Dude, I'll be honest, I didn't read all that lol I stopped when you said Haymon advises his fighters not to sign with promoter l, and again, you showed how lil you know about boxing.

Haymon advises not to sign with promoter because THEY ALL PAY PEANUTS!! if someone comes around and offered big paydays like Hearn did to Jacobs and Khan, he will advise you to sign. Haymon always have his fighters best Interest at heart and if someone comes with a great offer, he will no doubt advise you to sign.

And you're also wrong about Broner's biggest payday. He got $2 mils for both Paulie and Maidana fight; also got $1.2-1.5 mil range on multiple occasions. Besides, broner jas gotte at least $1mil EVERY SINGLE FIGHT since joining Haymon. Broner is a star who gets huge audiences both live and via TV. $4mil for a Pacquiao that will probably generate over $45mil in total revenue is a slap on the face. Haymon is out here taking care of his fighters, making sure theyre all maximizing they're earning potential; Promoters aren't, and that's why all fighters are leaving them and joining PBC.

Actually Broners made 1.75 and 1.5 for the Maidana and Paulie fights. Hasnt made near that much since even though he draws huge ratings on Showtime like you said. Crawford gets less ratings than Broner did at his peak and yet Crawford is getting paid way more. Lomachenko has gotten a million+ per fight since he started his career with Top Rank, including the handful of undercards he fought on. Idk any other fighter making 1 million their first fight on an undercard. Why do the big name olympians keep signing with Top Rank? Why do top fighters like Crawford, Loma, Pacquiao, Valdez, Ramirez stick with Top Rank if they pay so bad? The answer is because they make more money and also fight 2-3 times per year unlike Pbc who have been fighting once a year. Again its no comparison. The reason a handful of fighters have left and went to Pbc is because they want to cherry pick and take easier challenges. Loma, Crawford, and Pacquiao all made more last year than any Pbc fighter and Pbc has 2x the amount of fighters, so please tell me how does Pbc pay more?

[jjsmyth87]

Lol dude, you keep dodging the question. Who's the top dog RIGHT NOWWWW AT WELTERWEIGHT? Who had 2 titles? Not who you, me, or our friends think is the better fighter. Who has the most accolades RIGHT NOW? at that point, your no longer the hunter, you're the huntee

Actually Pacquiao has the most accolades at 147. He lost against Horn but most people thought he won and he could have just had an off night. Yes Thurman has 2 belts but he hasnt accomplished nearly what Pacquiao did. Thurman is not the huntee, he doesnt bring nearly as much fans or money as a Pacquiao fight does, unless he fights another top guy like Garcia. I think Crawford and Spence are the top guys at 147. Broner is a 4 division champ and Mikey Garcia is soon to be as well but that doesnt mean jack when your fighting bums. Thurman has yet to beat a real elite fighter, unless you consider Porter and Garcia to be elite but I dont. I think guys like Crawford or Spence would be considered elite so until he beats someone like that I will not be convinced hes the best at 147.

[AdonisCreed]

Keith Thurman would be a bigger star if he wasn't always hurt. He's fought decent competition lately. But one thing that is not winning over New fans is that he's known as a trash talker which is great for self promotion and promoting fights, but he's hesitant to engage in trash talk with Spence. Keith was open about Danny Garcia and open about Shawn Porter but he's not like that with Spence. I think a fight with Vargas is good for him coming back from injury. And hopefully Keith can fight at least twice this year. As for Vargas this is a good fight for him to show the welterweight division he's a legit threat to the top fighters.

[KillaMane26]

Good tune up...a young live body. Not hard not too easy. And have to stay alert.