Comments Thread For: Oscar De La Hoya is Willing To Promote Fights With Dana White

[Eff Pandas]

Rather than put that extra on his neck, why not call Haymon and basically wholesale the boxing effort? Dana White can talk on TV to push the fight, the payout for the show is known from the deal, and White pays Haymon 80% of the payout to actually deliver the show.

This is simply blind guessing, but let's say FOX pays the UFC $1m to deliver an FS1 date, UFC pockets $200k and pays PBC $800k, and Haymon delivers the show ($500k in TV pay to the fighters, $300k of the TV money to PBC/promoter, with the live gate and event sponsors adding in).

20 FS1 'Zuffa Boxing' dates, and Zuffa clears an extra $4m in revenue by simply acting as a go-between.

Middleman for the middleman?!?!? Dana & Ari are becoming the Haymon of the situation by hiring Haymon to hire a promoter?!?!?

Idk that seems way to bullsh^t-ish to me & like the UFC would just be becoming the new Waddell & Reed bankrolling PBC. Plus do you really think Haymon could regularly delivery a show for the numbers brought up or in that price range give or take?

I'd be surprised if Dana isn't running shows personally. I can already hear Dana going off on the WBO's & Arum's relationship sometime this year during a presser for some card.

And I'd be surprised if they do more than 6ish shows in year 1. Dana is already doing 40+ UFC shows a year. If they do more beyond that Dana won't be able to do both jobs.

I've speculated in the past that if this Zuffa Boxing thing takes off Dana is gonna need to drop one job so I think they will slow this down to make that not a issue til year 3 or 4 at the earliest. Hell as is with the limited weekends to put big combat sports cards on TV Dana might have double duties this year or have to plan events back to back Friday & Saturday or Saturday & Sunday at venues to make a UFC show + Boxing show promotable by Dana.

As to the PBC I think the PBC brand is becoming a new thing as we speak potentially. Look at all these Haymon promoted, PBC fighters, signing with promoters. There is still some argument to suggest that he's merely selling the products with lessening value or too many miles on the odometer & keeping the products with more upside in house to make some PBC TV deal at a future date with some regrouping, but if the Charlo's, Spence &/or Wilder start signing with promoters or the UFC specifically its a safe bet that the PBC has pivoted to some new goal or its folding in the near future cuz what PBC was trying to become is being melted as we speak with Jacobs, DeGale, Frampton & Khan (might be forgetting a bigger name or two) leaving free agency to sign up with a promotion.

[livershot73]

Well that's bullshet. I'm a die hard boxing fan but I'm getting sick and tired all this ****ing promoters not working together and making better fights. They don't gotta like each other in order to do business.
That's why people say boxing is dying and I don't blame them.

EXACTLY, they DON"T HAVE to like each other...they just have to like making money while making the fights we want to watch!

[BigStomps]

EXACTLY, they DON"T HAVE to like each other...they just have to like making money while making the fights we want to watch!

But too many lame ass promoters with big egos are ruining Boxing.
That ****ing sucks for us fans!

[PsychoPat]

Expect to see leaked nudes soon of these two in ****** get up at a hotel shadowboxing each others shlongs under the influence of 98% peruvian flake

[Santa_]

Canelo vs McGregor WILL happen this year

[Scipio2009]

Middleman for the middleman?!?!? Dana & Ari are becoming the Haymon of the situation by hiring Haymon to hire a promoter?!?!?

Idk that seems way to bullsh^t-ish to me & like the UFC would just be becoming the new Waddell & Reed bankrolling PBC. Plus do you really think Haymon could regularly delivery a show for the numbers brought up or in that price range give or take?

I'd be surprised if Dana isn't running shows personally. I can already hear Dana going off on the WBO's & Arum's relationship sometime this year during a presser for some card.

And I'd be surprised if they do more than 6ish shows in year 1. Dana is already doing 40+ UFC shows a year. If they do more beyond that Dana won't be able to do both jobs.

I've speculated in the past that if this Zuffa Boxing thing takes off Dana is gonna need to drop one job so I think they will slow this down to make that not a issue til year 3 or 4 at the earliest. Hell as is with the limited weekends to put big combat sports cards on TV Dana might have double duties this year or have to plan events back to back Friday & Saturday or Saturday & Sunday at venues to make a UFC show + Boxing show promotable by Dana.

As to the PBC I think the PBC brand is becoming a new thing as we speak potentially. Look at all these Haymon promoted, PBC fighters, signing with promoters. There is still some argument to suggest that he's merely selling the products with lessening value or too many miles on the odometer & keeping the products with more upside in house to make some PBC TV deal at a future date with some regrouping, but if the Charlo's, Spence &/or Wilder start signing with promoters or the UFC specifically its a safe bet that the PBC has pivoted to some new goal or its folding in the near future cuz what PBC was trying to become is being melted as we speak with Jacobs, DeGale, Frampton & Khan (might be forgetting a bigger name or two) leaving free agency to sign up with a promotion.

Haymon's roster is deep, but the vast majority of the fighters under his banner are prospects just starting out or prospects on the cusp of getting to fringe contender status.

Haymon just delivered a quadrupleheader to FS1, featuring a Luis Ortiz showcase fight and three fights that were basically 50/50s; doubt that he broke the bank on that (even with Pascal getting his farewell fight). Fairly confident that Haymon has the fighters to book 30-40 FS1 shows a year if that was the call. Similar set up for FOX, but with a bigger budget (FOX pays $2.5m, UFC keeps $500k and pays PBC $2m, and Haymon does the work of delivering the paid-for event).

PBC is still PBC; we need to see the fallout from what UFC does, but the effort to unify the presentation of the boxing product, put on mostly competitive fights, miraculously have generally fair scorecards, and expanding the access to the sport for the fan that doesn't regularly get to see Showtime or HBO have all been positives.

If this seemingly pending FOX/FS1 deal ever gets confirmed and finalized, the vision may just validate itself (for all the ambition of wanting to re-shape the way boxing is received in the US, Haymon's number one job is still to deliver opportunities for the fighters that he represents; Deontay Wilder is signed to Lou DiBella with his bases being New York and Alabama, Daniel Jacobs was able to swap his freedom for a 6-fight deal on the network with the main middleweight fighters, and Errol Spence Jr has already made his interest in having his own Texas-based company).

Frampton was signed to Mcguigan, had the falling out, and signed with a UK promoter who's not got to deliver the stadium fight or let him walk.

James Degale was on a fight-by-fight basis with Frank Warren, and got outfoxed in his first fight with Frank.

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon's roster is deep, but the vast majority of the fighters under his banner are prospects just starting out or prospects on the cusp of getting to fringe contender status.

I mean we all know this, but the reality is no one without a draw is making nice money & PBC has been letting some notable guys go to non-PBC promoters for the first time since there existence.

Haymon just delivered a quadrupleheader to FS1, featuring a Luis Ortiz showcase fight and three fights that were basically 50/50s; doubt that he broke the bank on that (even with Pascal getting his farewell fight). Fairly confident that Haymon has the fighters to book 30-40 FS1 shows a year if that was the call. Similar set up for FOX, but with a bigger budget (FOX pays $2.5m, UFC keeps $500k and pays PBC $2m, and Haymon does the work of delivering the paid-for event).

But can he do that on a regular basis? Can he get into a position where he can get a meaningful deal from that like the PBC plan was?

PBC is still PBC; we need to see the fallout from what UFC does, but the effort to unify the presentation of the boxing product, put on mostly competitive fights, miraculously have generally fair scorecards, and expanding the access to the sport for the fan that doesn't regularly get to see Showtime or HBO have all been positives.

PBC for sure isn't still PBC. They aren't doing nearly as many big shows on National TV. Everything meaningful is happening on Showtime. They've seemed to transition to another phase to regroup to be something else or find a new player with money to make another attempt at their original goal more intelligently.

If this seemingly pending FOX/FS1 deal ever gets confirmed and finalized, the vision may just validate itself (for all the ambition of wanting to re-shape the way boxing is received in the US, Haymon's number one job is still to deliver opportunities for the fighters that he represents; Deontay Wilder is signed to Lou DiBella with his bases being New York and Alabama, Daniel Jacobs was able to swap his freedom for a 6-fight deal on the network with the main middleweight fighters, and Errol Spence Jr has already made his interest in having his own Texas-based company).

Who's saying there is a Fox/FS1 pending deal? And I've never heard Wilder is signed with DiBella. Link to source? There's a huge difference in DiBella being Wilder's promoter cuz he gots him on his card & DiBella having a contract to be Wilder's promoter & he's on his cards.

Haymon seems to deal with regional promoters & where you put on fights seems to play in with who you "promote" on a regular basis, but I've not heard of any of the "free agents" from the Schaefer/GBP situation be signed to a specific PBC promoter.

I get the feeling PBC is in a stage where they are hoping for the best, but kinda know they misplayed there hand & are at the mercy of there lessening options, which aren't great & are about survival more than success right now. Otherwise guys wouldn't be so inactive & misguided in the PBC family as they are these days. I mean Spence didn't fight for 8 or so months & if there is anyone you wanna keep in the public eye its the guy who could become among the biggest guys in boxing in theory.

[A-Wolf]

Oscar likes to **** where he eats.

[Scipio2009]

Middleman for the middleman?!?!? Dana & Ari are becoming the Haymon of the situation by hiring Haymon to hire a promoter?!?!?

Idk that seems way to bullsh^t-ish to me & like the UFC would just be becoming the new Waddell & Reed bankrolling PBC. Plus do you really think Haymon could regularly delivery a show for the numbers brought up or in that price range give or take?

I'd be surprised if Dana isn't running shows personally. I can already hear Dana going off on the WBO's & Arum's relationship sometime this year during a presser for some card.

And I'd be surprised if they do more than 6ish shows in year 1. Dana is already doing 40+ UFC shows a year. If they do more beyond that Dana won't be able to do both jobs.

I've speculated in the past that if this Zuffa Boxing thing takes off Dana is gonna need to drop one job so I think they will slow this down to make that not a issue til year 3 or 4 at the earliest. Hell as is with the limited weekends to put big combat sports cards on TV Dana might have double duties this year or have to plan events back to back Friday & Saturday or Saturday & Sunday at venues to make a UFC show + Boxing show promotable by Dana.

As to the PBC I think the PBC brand is becoming a new thing as we speak potentially. Look at all these Haymon promoted, PBC fighters, signing with promoters. There is still some argument to suggest that he's merely selling the products with lessening value or too many miles on the odometer & keeping the products with more upside in house to make some PBC TV deal at a future date with some regrouping, but if the Charlo's, Spence &/or Wilder start signing with promoters or the UFC specifically its a safe bet that the PBC has pivoted to some new goal or its folding in théfxccxfe near future cuz what PBC was trying to become is being melted as we speak with Jacobs, DeGale, Frampton & Khan (might be forgetting a bigger name or two) leaving free agency to sign up with a promotion.

The UFC runs too many shows as is, if we're honest.

[_Rexy_]

When I saw the purses that UFC fighters take home, I realized Dana White is a bigger crook than Don King. I don't want Dana anywhere near boxing. Let him stick to MMA. For the drunk fratboys to watch.