Comments Thread For: Boxing Fan Cracked With 85,000 Bill Over Illegal Facebook Stream

[Lester Tutor]

This is an interesting theory lol but I like it

Boxing Clever was born part-tabloid.

[b Murphington]

Scare tactics. Legally, there is nothing Sky can do.

If they take it to court, Sky will lose.

How though? I mean, isn't there a clause somewhere that says you can't distribute the event without consent?

Buying the PPV and having friends over to watch it is one thing, but someone making a stream where others have access to it is different.

Or is it a loophole because it was through Facebook?

So is it that Sky would have to go through Facebook to get something? Crazy Sky cares so much. This crap happens all the time.

[takenotes]

They cannot prove he or someone else did it. It is like the red light camera crap. They have no case

[baroidi]

when people were pirating software through dial up, there was at least some concealment of one's identity. Now ****** idiots put their entire lives on facebook and still do illegal stuff, lol.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Sky was able to track Foster down from a watermark of his account number which flashed up on screen during the fight.

BRILLIANT. That's what every content provider should do - and watermark it right in the dead center of the broadcast too so they can't crop out.

He's toast. He probably stole from Floyd's kids too

[McNulty]

How though? I mean, isn't there a clause somewhere that says you can't distribute the event without consent?

Buying the PPV and having friends over to watch it is one thing, but someone making a stream where others have access to it is different.

Or is it a loophole because it was through Facebook?

So is it that Sky would have to go through Facebook to get something? Crazy Sky cares so much. This crap happens all the time.

Facebook is known to work with the authorities so, no to that. All that's needed is a court order and Facebook will give it up.

I guess I don't know UK laws at all, they might not have reasonable doubt. But it looks like there are several ways to prove reasonable doubt.

The friend admitting guilt, questionable ownership of iPad, and a collective inebriation could hurt the prosecution on their own merit.

Also things like first time offense and a lack of criminal record come into play (if applicable).

Any good lawyer can get a positive finding here. Kid walks with a suspended sentence (slap on wrist) at worst or a continued without a finding (you won).

The lawyers Sky uses probably bill so high the return isn't worth it for Sky even if they won. 5k, that's probably the low end of the lawyer fee. High end lawyers are billing 1.5k hour these days. 5k don't get you far.

All Sky is looking for is headlines. Believe it or not, but a lot of people tend to only read headlines. People read it, spread it around and it sticks --- they remember. I still remember a case from early file sharing days of some kid that got billed for 85k or etc for downloading mp3's on his grandma's computer. That story has to be 15 years old lol.

[Evil_Meat]

Scare tactics. Legally, there is nothing Sky can do.

If they take it to court, Sky will lose.

McNulty being a genius as usual.

[Floyd is TBE]

This is why I don't stream fights, just go to a bar or wait for someone to put them on youtube.

[iamboxing]

1. Sky are assuming 4200 people would have paid to watch the fight rather than watch it a day later on YouTube. £85K is absurd.

2. Don't stream live Sky Sport events. Instead record them and ******* them like most pirates do.

3. Don't use Facebook. It spys on you and logs everything.

[GGG Gloveking]

Facebook is known to work with the authorities so, no to that. All that's needed is a court order and Facebook will give it up.

I guess I don't know UK laws at all, they might not have reasonable doubt. But it looks like there are several ways to prove reasonable doubt.

The friend admitting guilt, questionable ownership of iPad, and a collective inebriation could hurt the prosecution on their own merit.

Also things like first time offense and a lack of criminal record come into play (if applicable).

Any good lawyer can get a positive finding here. Kid walks with a suspended sentence (slap on wrist) at worst or a continued without a finding (you won).

The lawyers Sky uses probably bill so high the return isn't worth it for Sky even if they won. 5k, that's probably the low end of the lawyer fee. High end lawyers are billing 1.5k hour these days. 5k don't get you far.

All Sky is looking for is headlines. Believe it or not, but a lot of people tend to only read headlines. People read it, spread it around and it sticks --- they remember. I still remember a case from early file sharing days of some kid that got billed for 85k or etc for downloading mp3's on his grandma's computer. That story has to be 15 years old lol.

You mention reasonable doubt, but if Sky is seeking monetary compensation, then the burden of proof is much lower. It becomes a preponderance of the evidence, simply, is it more likely than not that the alleged event occurred. I think that's an easy win for them