Vasyl Lomachenko's weakness: lacking / limited defence and footwork?

[elfag]

Compubox = unreliable!

Best = effective.

Lomachenko = flashy flamboyant with his footwork and defence.

Effectiveness =/= flashiness / flamboyancy

Manny Pacquiao's footwork and Floyd Mayweather Jr's footwork >>> Vasyl Lomachenko's

Rigo couldnt land **** on loma and he had a reach advantage. Loma was too fast darting in and out of range. His footwork is GREAT. You are a ****ing ******.

[sweeterscience]

Compubox = unreliable!

Best = effective.

Lomachenko = flashy flamboyant with his footwork and defence.

Effectiveness =/= flashiness / flamboyancy

Manny Pacquiao's footwork and Floyd Mayweather Jr's footwork >>> Vasyl Lomachenko's

While I agree that Lomachenko has been put on a bizarre and over-reaching pedestal so quickly, and I do believe some of his flashy turns can distract fans from the fact that what he is accomplishing technically is no more effective than
a more stripped down, Spartan iteration of the same moves...it does seem like you might be overshooting with your criticisms as egregiously as his crazed die-hards do with the worship. And giving credit where credit is due, Lomachenko is much more enjoyable to watch by virtue of that flash for a large percentage of the boxing audience.

I certainly don't intend to attack your perspective, mine is just maybe in the middle of yours and his often cultish supporters. I think it is very fair to say Mayweather's footwork was radically more fundamentally sound and efficient, better. No question. To put Pacquiao down as having superior footwork to Lomachenko seems as impossible to me as putting Loma atop a current p4p list. In his prime Pacquiao had sloppier footwork, often crossed his feet, stepped across his own path and so on. Pacquiao just had such phenomenal body awareness and balance and quicker hands.

I also believe using the Salido fight as an example so frequently is as inaccurate as citing Pacquiao's early knockout losses as grounds to say he had a soft chin. Neither argument seems to pass logical muster.

Salido out-toughed Loma, out-roughed him, out-pro'd him. And Lomachenko has steadily made big jumps in tactics after and, no doubt, because of that loss.

No offense intended, I just think the Lomachenko debate always comes down to extreme, angry statements on both sides when the reality is in the center somewhere. We went through this with Mike Tyson, Naseem Hamed, Roy Jones, Pacquiao, with Mayweather, Arturo Gatti, Rigo, David Lemieux, so on and so forth...and the truth is almost always somewhere in between.

[A-Wolf]

Eh.. Fake news thread. Helps stimulate activity on the forum.

Are Lomachenko's White nationalist Hitlerian fans not aware?

[Ogecca MaMa]

bhahaha.. someone is pissed

[Morrie ATG]

he has no weaknesses you ****** asses. Salido is a drug cheat.

[iamboxing]

I don't think his footwork is overrated at all. I'll go far as to say he wouldn't get as far as he has without it.

[No punch power]

While I agree that Lomachenko has been put on a bizarre and over-reaching pedestal so quickly, and I do believe some of his flashy turns can distract fans from the fact that what he is accomplishing technically is no more effective than
a more stripped down, Spartan iteration of the same moves...it does seem like you might be overshooting with your criticisms as egregiously as his crazed die-hards do with the worship. And giving credit where credit is due, Lomachenko is much more enjoyable to watch by virtue of that flash for a large percentage of the boxing audience.

I certainly don't intend to attack your perspective, mine is just maybe in the middle of yours and his often cultish supporters. I think it is very fair to say Mayweather's footwork was radically more fundamentally sound and efficient, better. No question. To put Pacquiao down as having superior footwork to Lomachenko seems as impossible to me as putting Loma atop a current p4p list. In his prime Pacquiao had sloppier footwork, often crossed his feet, stepped across his own path and so on. Pacquiao just had such phenomenal body awareness and balance and quicker hands.

I also believe using the Salido fight as an example so frequently is as inaccurate as citing Pacquiao's early knockout losses as grounds to say he had a soft chin. Neither argument seems to pass logical muster.

Salido out-toughed Loma, out-roughed him, out-pro'd him. And Lomachenko has steadily made big jumps in tactics after and, no doubt, because of that loss.

No offense intended, I just think the Lomachenko debate always comes down to extreme, angry statements on both sides when the reality is in the center somewhere. We went through this with Mike Tyson, Naseem Hamed, Roy Jones, Pacquiao, with Mayweather, Arturo Gatti, Rigo, David Lemieux, so on and so forth...and the truth is almost always somewhere in between.

Canelo Alvarez is better than Vasyl Lomachenko in pretty much every department!

[No punch power]

Rigo couldnt land **** on loma and he had a reach advantage. Loma was too fast darting in and out of range. His footwork is GREAT. You are a ****ing ******.

Maybe because Rigo was a 37 years old grandpa?

[No punch power]

It's amazing, the hate.

He's objectively one of the fastest men in his division which would by default define him as being much faster than average.

is it trolling or genuine hatred? we'll never know, we just know it's an obsession either way you look at it

Vasyl Lomachenko ONLY looks fast as an optical illusion due to the unnecessary flashy / flamboyant moves he performs. Otherwise, he really isn't that fast and is no faster than an average top level boxer.

And Canelo Alvarez makes Vasyl Lomachenko appear as if he moves in slow motion. Despite the significant size and weight gap, Canelo Alvarez is significantly faster than Vasyl Lomachenko to the point where Canelo embarrasses Lomachenko in the speed department.

[sweeterscience]

Canelo Alvarez is better than Vasyl Lomachenko in pretty much every department!

Certainly at this point that Canelo is so much more thoroughly tested against top fighters, I agree. But Canelo and Loma had such different trajectories into the pro ranks and have such different styles.

I can't say Canelo's skills are better, but he is certainly a bigger puncher, no doubt, and has gotten better and improved his arsenal in just about every fight since the Mayweather loss. I give him a ton of credit for that. And we've seen Canelo take the skills to the next level against quality opponents with a variety of styles. But the pure speed and athleticism advantages have to be given to Loma, I'd contend.