Comments Thread For: Hearn admits to overpaying Martin to secure IBF title for Joshua

[Rubber Ducky]

Wilder wanted to fight Wlad and Wlad had agreed to fight him after his mandatories, but then he lost to Fury. The same Fury Wilder had been challenging and calling out for years. The same Fury that then retired to avoid Wilder. Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin in Russia and was in Russia to fight, before it got canceled because Povetkin was scared to fight Wilder fair. Wilder than said ok, and signed to fight Ortiz, the next top hw after him and AJ. Ortiz failed a ped test and Wilder still pleaded with the WBC to allow them to fight, even if Ortiz was juiced up. Wilder has been calling out AJ for a long time, and AJ ignores him. AJ says he can beat him and wants to fight him sometime, but not anytime soon. In fact, Hearn wanted Wilder to fight Whyte and Wilder said ok, as long as I get fight with AJ next after that. Then AJ and Hearn did not want to fight him, and Hearn quit saying he wanted Wilder-Whyte.

And Stiverne was a mandatory. The WBC, like all these ABC's have bought and paid for rankings.

As for AJ fighting Wlad, well duh. Wlad was the biggest payday possible. That is the one fight everyone wanted. The same one Wilder wanted before the Fury fight. When Wlad was two years younger. Wlad was a great champion and fighter, but that was the one fight every hw wanted. Giving AJ credit for taking that fight is like giving credit to Berto for fighting Mayweather. And you know that. And Takam?!? Get out of here, that guy is a bum.

No Wilder and his team didn't want Wlad. They talk a lot but they never took the fight when it could of happened. See link below, Finkel when asked about a fight with Wlad and Povetkin says Wilder won't be rushed. They refused a $10 mill payday from Povetkin for a voluntary defence.

Wlad instead fought Jennings in the US for the first time in 7 years. Why fight in the US when he made more money in Germany? Answer is he was chasing Wilder, but Wilder didn't want any of it. Sure Wlad had mandatory but unification fights override mandatory obligations. There was a 10 month period when the fight could be made but Wilder didn't want it. Can't blame him after Wlad toyed with him in sparring, KO'ed him twice and had to send him home early.

http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-no...-finkel--86714

Also Wilder didn't agree to fight Povetkin in Russia, he was forced to fight there after losing the purse bid. And sure Povetkin tested positive but Wilder only hours after the news was released cancelled his flights to Russia and booked tickets back to the US. The WBC didn't even have time to look into it or perhaps ask for a B sample to be tested, they were forced to announce the fight was postponed as clearly Wilder had already jumped ship.

AJ hasn't been ignoring Wilder, Wilder was the one who has been ducking. He said prior to Joshua/Wlad he was going to be ringside to show the winner he was serious and that he wanted the winner. But after the fight did he call out Joshua? Nope he called out Parker and Bellew lol.

I see Wilder like Calzaghe. They were both very content to keep 1 belt, defend it at home for little reward but not have to take a risk. They were happy being a big fish in a small pond. But then Joshua emerged as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and now Wilder is willing to take the risk, but only for 50%, lmao.

[Froch_uppercut]

Wilder literally signed to fight Ortiz instead of Whyte. Yes, to some it seems illogical to fight a better opponent for less money. But when you want to prove your greatness, that is what you do.

Another logical reason would be to not give Hearn that payday when Hearn is still refusing to even talk about a Wilder-Joshua fight. Wilder said he would fight Whyte, if AJ was next. Hearn then said, no, no nevermind.

There is no logical reason for Hearn to not put AJ being next in the contract, if Hearn is honestly planning to have AJ fight Wilder after Parker anyway. Why??? If the plan is to fight Wilder after Parker, why not agree to that? The only reason is because AJ has no intention of fighting Wilder anytime in 2018. So, Wilder is fighting a more dangerous and more highly regarded opponent than Whyte. That is not ducking, that is fighting the best opponent that will fight you. That is the exact opposite of ducking.

Hmmm, maybe that's what's going on with his Ortiz selection, I wouldn't argue it with you, although it's also possible he sees Ortiz as easier.

However, there is no way Hearn is stopping AJ from fighting Wilder. That is a huge money fight and will happen, likely next fall after AJ takes another belt.

I think if Hearn is planning on his guy having all the belts, and of course that will be the goal, it is logical to take the perceived easier one (Parker) first. If there is a rematch clause in the Parker deal, it would preclude Hearn from agreeing to Wilder being next. So there is your logical reason.

In any case, it's a great division these days and there are up and comers too. Good for us fans of boxing.

[jackkeane6]

So basically y'all want Wilder to make money for Hearn TWICE! And then he agrees, and you walk away! That sounds like Hearn is one who is afraid! The guy said he would be HAPPY to come to ENGLAND for WHYTE! Still, you feel Wilder is afraid of Whyte? RIDICULOUS!

He wouldn’t make money for Hearn twice. Whyte would spank him.

[JRB123]

Wilder wanted to fight Wlad and Wlad had agreed to fight him after his mandatories, but then he lost to Fury. The same Fury Wilder had been challenging and calling out for years. The same Fury that then retired to avoid Wilder. Wilder agreed to fight Povetkin in Russia and was in Russia to fight, before it got canceled because Povetkin was scared to fight Wilder fair. Wilder than said ok, and signed to fight Ortiz, the next top hw after him and AJ. Ortiz failed a ped test and Wilder still pleaded with the WBC to allow them to fight, even if Ortiz was juiced up.

Wilder did not want to fight Wlad after winning the WBC title. He was rolling with his co-manager Shelly Finkel who said that Wilder "is just a baby winning the title" and that he needed a couple of fights first.

http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-no...-finkel--86714

What actually happened with Wilder? Two voluntary defenses in Alabama before going up against Szpilka then a planned match against Povetkin, which is basically what Finkel said in that article.

Wilder has been calling out AJ for a long time, and AJ ignores him. AJ says he can beat him and wants to fight him sometime, but not anytime soon. In fact, Hearn wanted Wilder to fight Whyte and Wilder said ok, as long as I get fight with AJ next after that. Then AJ and Hearn did not want to fight him, and Hearn quit saying he wanted Wilder-Whyte.

Like I said before, show where Wilder and his team made a serious push to make a fight with Anthony Joshua before the week of November 4th-November 11th of this year.

Wilder had the WBC belt since 2015. He made three defenses (as mentioned earlier) before his scheduled mandatory obligation against Povetkin. When during that time did Finkel, Haymon, DiBella, Jay Deas, or anyone dealing with Wilder came to Hearn or Joshua to make a fight happen? The ball is on your court to show that.

In reference to Wilder-Whyte, the offer was for 3 million dollars and Wilder rejected that deal first...plus Whyte called Wilder out in June of this year, which was four months after Wilder's voluntary defense against Washington.

http://www.boxingscene.com/whyte-deo...boxing--118154

Wilder's response was that he wants "7 to 10 million dollars" to fight Whyte.

http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-i-...illion--121754

To be clear, Wilder said he wanted that much money to fight Whyte, then he wanted the backend guarantee that he would fight AJ next.

And Stiverne was a mandatory. The WBC, like all these ABC's have bought and paid for rankings.

This we agree with. However, Wilder and his team knew that Stiverne was the mandatory since December of 2016. As a WBC champion, he is encouraged to defend the belt every 90 to 120 days according to the rules stated by the WBC. He was cleared health-wise after his win over Washington, so why did he not get that fight with Stiverne over with by the summer so that he would be clear to face anyone?

He ended up fighting Stiverne in November, well after the 120 day timeframe established by the WBC.

As for AJ fighting Wlad, well duh. Wlad was the biggest payday possible. That is the one fight everyone wanted. The same one Wilder wanted before the Fury fight. When Wlad was two years younger. Wlad was a great champion and fighter, but that was the one fight every hw wanted. Giving AJ credit for taking that fight is like giving credit to Berto for fighting Mayweather. And you know that. And Takam?!? Get out of here, that guy is a bum.

I've already pointed out that Wilder was not going to fight Wlad.

Wladimir Klistchko was still considered among the best heavyweights in the world, two year layoff or not. However, Wilder fought Stiverne when Stiverne had a two year layoff. Who considered Stiverne as one of the best heavyweights in the world? Nobody.

Takam was considered as a top ten heavyweight by the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board as shown here

http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

You can also go in the archives and see there that Takam was still floating around the top ten in previous months. Wilder had an opportunity to have one of his voluntary defenses against him but passed on it.

If you want more proof of Takam as a top ten heavyweight, I'll be happy to show you.

[jackkeane6]

He didn't duck Whyte. He chose to fight a better opponent than fighting Anthony Joshua's sloppy seconds in that guys backyard on the off chance that Hearn might let him fight Joshua next. He had to settle for a rematch with the undeserving Bermaine Stiverne to fulfill his mandatory obligations when Luis Ortiz failed a drug test shortly before the fight. Why wasn't Joseph Parker made to fight Dillan Whyte in England to build his profile first? Could it be because he's viewed as a much lesser threat than Wilder.

Because Parker’s last fight was in the UK and Parker is more well known in the UK than Wilder is

[greeneye99]

Who the heck is Eddie Hearn to be calling any shots around here! He is a scum bag! This fraud promoter has no fighters, they are all getting beat up, you know the names. I’m glad Wilder didn’t jump when Eddie said jump with that fraud Dillian Whyte. Eddie is like The Golden Girl, he has 1 fighter and then he is done, once Wilder lands that right hand across that glass chin, Eddie will be irrelevant. That why you are hearing guys like Poletvin, Haye and the rest of the tomatoe cans.

You comment under every Hearn article......Troll

[Froch_uppercut]

We can speculate and watch as Wilder likely fights Luis Ortiz while Whyte fights another mediocre guy. Lets see Whyte step up and try to earn a title shot rather than depend upon his promoter talking him into one.

So, are you saying that this boxer needs his promoter to talk him into]a title fight?

That doesn't make sense. He's a banana skin for any hw.

Taking Ortiz for (presumably) less money and then saying he is a tougher opponent simply doesn't add up.

Whyte, if easier, and paying more money....why not? Please explain.

[Froch_uppercut]

Wilder literally signed to fight Ortiz instead of Whyte. Yes, to some it seems illogical to fight a better opponent for less money. But when you want to prove your greatness, that is what you do.

Another logical reason would be to not give Hearn that payday when Hearn is still refusing to even talk about a Wilder-Joshua fight. Wilder said he would fight Whyte, if AJ was next. Hearn then said, no, no nevermind.

There is no logical reason for Hearn to not put AJ being next in the contract, if Hearn is honestly planning to have AJ fight Wilder after Parker anyway. Why??? If the plan is to fight Wilder after Parker, why not agree to that? The only reason is because AJ has no intention of fighting Wilder anytime in 2018. So, Wilder is fighting a more dangerous and more highly regarded opponent than Whyte. That is not ducking, that is fighting the best opponent that will fight you. That is the exact opposite of ducking.

BTW, your logic is sound, ONLY IF Ortiz is perceived as a greater threat than Whyte. There are those who would argue, me included, that Whyte is the tougher fight.

[Dr.Cool]

BTW, your logic is sound, ONLY IF Ortiz is perceived as a greater threat than Whyte. There are those who would argue, me included, that Whyte is the tougher fight.

I'm not saying Ortiz is the tougher fight; all I'm saying is that most boxing fans and boxing media regard Ortiz as the more dangerous opponent. It is true Ortiz has looked rather poor since his first failed ped test. Still, the media and the fans don't see it that way. So, if Wilder would fight Whyte next, a great great many would claim he is ducking Ortiz. Its like Mayweather was for most of his career. No matter who he fights, many will just claim he was ducking someone else.

[JRB123]

So, are you saying that this boxer needs his promoter to talk him into]a title fight?

That doesn't make sense. He's a banana skin for any hw.

Taking Ortiz for (presumably) less money and then saying he is a tougher opponent simply doesn't add up.

Whyte, if easier, and paying more money....why not? Please explain.

A Whyte fight at the price of 3 million was still higher than what he got paid to fight Stiverne, yet Wilder asked for 7 to 10 million dollars to get in the ring.

That would have a few people scratching their heads