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god you're an ass-hole.....
“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said to ESPN. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder [at] 164 [and] a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tuneup fights.”.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...0-split--93258
ANDRE WARD VS GENNADY GOLOVKIN AND THE WEIGHT DIVIDE
It’s possible to think of better unmade fights right now than Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin, but the list only goes a couple fingers, tops. The two have danced around each other for the last couple years, each side accusing the other of not really wanting to lambada. But at this precise moment, it’s easy to pinpoint the perpetrator.
This month Golovkin’s team made explicit that they want the fight at 164 lbs. with a 50-50 purse split. The split is perfectly reasonable, and only has gotten more reasonable over time; there was a period when the idea of Andre Ward vs Gennady Golovkin at 50-50 was goofy given how much better ratings and how much larger crowds Ward (above left) was drawing, but Golovkin (above right) has caught up pretty well on those metrics by staying busy, looking impressive and becoming a fan favorite.
The 164-pound thing? Ludicrous. Golovkin, as we’ve said here a million times, is under no obligation to move up from middleweight. But he has indicated a willingness to fight Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. at the full super middleweight limit. As a source (apparently one on Ward’s side) told BoxingScene:
“Ward wants to fight Golovkin and he wants to fight him next. But it won’t happen at 164-pounds. By accepting 168 with Carl Froch and Chavez Jr, but then demanding 164 with Ward – it’s their way of saying ‘we don’t want to fight Andre Ward.”
There’s really no other explanation other than a version of that one. Ward has said repeatedly he couldn’t get below 168 if he tried, and his last fight was at 172. With Golovkin’s side saying they’ll only take the fight at 164, they’re either trying to make it look like they want the fight at all, knowing it won’t happen at that number; or they’re saying they’re only willing to fight Ward if he cripples himself.
And yes, you can point fingers at Ward about being guilty of this kind of thing for the Chad Dawson fight. The situation was slightly different there because Dawson, the light heavyweight champion, volunteered that he’d be willing to fight at 168, but given the catchweight Ward has taken some abuse for what was otherwise a win over a top fighter, and it’s not undeserved.
The other major difference, though, is that Golovkin is a fan favorite where Ward is a more divisive figure, so he probably won’t catch as much hell. As a fan of both Golovkin and Ward, I’d rather neither of them sought any catchweights, or that anyone else did, even when they’re more fair or reasonable than what Golovkin is requesting. This is just my reminder to all the boxing people out there that when it comes to advantage-hunting and trying to weaken opponents and trying to force the blame for a fight not happening, some fighters play a bit dirtier than others, but almost everyone is playing the same game, no matter how much their reputation is as a fearless warrior.....
http://thecomeback.com/queensberryru...ht-divide.html
There was talk of a potential fight between Golovkin and Ward. Initially the two sides were unable to agree on the weight, then it was an issue of money, and then GGG's handlers said the fight wasn't possible until at least 2017 or 2018, because Golovkin was focused on unifying the middleweight division.
The fight never happened, because the two sides were initially unable to agree on the weight. Eventually Golovkin's team expressed their disinterest in the contest until GGG fulfilled his mission of unifying the middleweight division.
http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-war...canelo--103739
you are an ass-hole kafkod..... because I have posted you these links on many occasions
Golovkin & Ward: Who Is Ducking Who?.....
none of the arguments from GGG’s side, I think, stand up to serious scrutiny.
the fact the offer was sent after the Lemieux fight had been signed is not evidence that it was made in bad faith. In fact, it seems reasonable to take Ward’s team at face value when they say this would not have been a stumbling block, and that the proposed time frame (each fighting an interim bout before meeting in the first half of 2016) could have been made to work
It’s also argued that Ward’s camp were deliberately treating GGG’s team like the “B-side,” presumably in the knowledge that this would scupper the bout while feigning the appearance of making a serious offer. This argument is also a strange one. Negotiations, after all, have to start somewhere. If Ward’s team were willing to fire the opening salvo, it can hardly be held against them if the other side were not willing to fire back
Ward’s offer. He has proven on numerous occasions his willingness to step up to a serious challenge. It seems rather absurd to question the legitimacy of his desire to fight Golovkin when he has since agreed to a contest that is even more daunting.
Team Golovkin simply preferred to hold out for a lower-risk, financially more rewarding fight against either Miguel Cotto or Canelo Alvarez. That is hardly a crime, but even granting that it was a sensible long-term business move on their part, it still runs contrary to their prior eagerness to “fight the best from 154 to 168”. Whatever you think of Golovkin the fighter, there is a serious mismatch here between his team’s words and their deeds, whereas judging Ward by his upcoming test next weekend, the reverse is true.
http://www.thefightcity.com/golovkin...ovalev-boxing/
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