As of right now, who would you rank higher, Vitali or GGG

[Larry the boss]

That's all you can do. Throw emoticons because the facts speak for themselves. There is not a heavyweight with a better REAL heavyweight record at 200 pounds + (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds) than Wladimir Klitschko. After that, you can't name any boxer who is more worthy for the number 2 spot than either Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis.

At middleweight, Golovkin's record speaks for itself. He has one of the highest win / loss ratio at 160 pounds. He has one of the highest KO ratio at 160 pounds. These are all facts!

Though sure, someone like you isn't able to differentiate between what is subjective and what is objective. So no surprises for your bullet point primitive responses.

Stop, please stop...name 1 ATG,p4p fighter or hall of famer either beat..just one!!!!! same with GGG..i'll wait

[Mr Objecitivity]

Stop, please stop...name 1 ATG,p4p fighter or hall of famer either beat..just one!!!!! same with GGG..i'll wait

1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world.

2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers.

3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await!

[Larry the boss]

1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world.

2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers.

3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await!

bull**** Tyson was ranked p4p #1 and Wlad was top 10 p4p

[Larry the boss]

1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world.

2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers.

3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await!

wtf???? lol how?? please explain this..anything over 200 is heavyweight right?

[Mr Objecitivity]

wtf???? lol how?? please explain this..anything over 200 is heavyweight right?

What I mean is, if we exclude all the bouts where boxers weighed below 200 pounds.

The heavyweight division started at 176 pounds during Ali's era. Which wouldn't be considered heavyweight today by modern standard. Boxers like Ali and Frazier had a reputation for competing against opponents that weighed below 200 pounds who would've been considered 'heavyweights' then but not now. If we delete such opponents from their record, their record is inferior to Povetkin's.

bull**** Tyson was ranked p4p #1 and Wlad was top 10 p4p

Again, it's totally subjective and means nothing. Heavyweights don't need to be ranked in the pound for pound ranking. The best heavyweight destroys the best boxers from any other lower weight division, except maybe the cruiser weights.

An Ukrainian organisation had Wladimir Klitschko ranked pound for pound number 1. So what?

[b d w]

I’ve read 6 pages of this thread and no one can tell me who Vitality beat. Golovkin beat a very impressive Danny Jacobs and drew with a fighter who will end up going down as an ATG in Canelo Alvarez, a fight that the majority of fans and boxing experts believe Golovkin actually won. Now all that being the case, can someone, anyone tell me who of note Vitali actually won against?

[ShoulderRoll]

Again, it's totally subjective and means nothing. Heavyweights don't need to be ranked in the pound for pound ranking. The best heavyweight destroys the best boxers from any other lower weight division, except maybe the cruiser weights.

Heavyweights might be able to beat boxers from lower weight divisions strictly because of size. But that doesn't measure their true quality as a fighting man which is what P4P is for.

When a heavyweight's quality is good and he is skillful he will be ranked P4P. When his quality and skill are relatively poor (for example Valuev) then he won't be ranked, even if he could technically beat a Lomachenko in the ring due to his size advantage.

[Metho_4u]

Jacobs, brook and Canelo.

Lmao @ you counting a ww that lifted him off his feet and canelo made him look like an amatuer and made him miss at an all time high in his career. The truth is, whern golovkin stepped up, he looked just ordinary... he's beaten Jacobs... canelo was a draw, brook was expected to lose and fought his last fight back at ww.

[NoMasChenko]

vitali shined in a dull division

[Mr Objecitivity]

Heavyweights might be able to beat boxers from lower weight divisions strictly because of size. But that doesn't measure their true quality as a fighting man which is what P4P is for.

When a heavyweight's quality is good and he is skillful he will be ranked P4P. When his quality and skill are relatively poor (for example Valuev) then he won't be ranked, even if he could technically beat a Lomachenko in the ring due to his size advantage.

Well, that is my point. The best / most skilled heavyweight will almost never be more skilled than the best / most skilled welterweight, feather, bantamweight and etc.

Heavyweight bouts aren't decided by 'skills' as much as bouts in other weight divisions are. Heavyweight boxing is more about physical strength and punching power. Also because a boxer can outweigh his opponent by an unlimited amount, to the point where skills become less relevant than in other weight divisions where boxers usually weigh the same, which is when skills matter the most.

Even if you get the most skilled heavyweight in the world. They are unlikely to be more skilled than the most skilled sub-heavyweights like Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Pacquiao, Mayweather and etc because even the most skilled heavyweight is going to be slower, less coordinated and overall less versatile than the best / most skilled sub-heavyweights.

So a heavyweight can almost never be ranked number 1 pound for pound in terms of skills as the heaviest boxers aren't going to have the luxury of being as skilled due to more physical mass.