Comments Thread For: Thurman: Joshua is Not Yet Ready For Wilder, Needs More Time

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Countless? Ok name me 5 world top 10 opponents. Not WBC ranked and absent from other rankings. World top 10, so guys ranked in the top 10 by all 4 organisations and by The Ring.

You're moving his goal posts. He said Wilder hasn't fought anybody that's currently in the top ten of the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO. He was wrong.

We have no obligation to jump through your arbitrary hoops.

And the fact that you continue to recognize The Ring, despite being purchased by HBO's lead promoter, with all of the most respected journalists quitting in disgust over the ratings becoming corrupted, shows that you have no credibility.

[soul_survivor]

You're moving his goal posts. He said Wilder hasn't fought anybody that's currently in the top ten of the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO. He was wrong.

We have no obligation to jump through your arbitrary hoops.

And the fact that you continue to recognize The Ring, despite being purchased by HBO's lead promoter, with all of the most respected journalists quitting in disgust over the ratings becoming corrupted, shows that you have no credibility.

Fine, you can't answer the question.

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Fine, you can't answer the question.

The question that has nothing to do with what was being discussed and sets an improbable set of conditions? No, we have no interest in answering. It's very rare that somebody is simultaneously ranked in the top ten by the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO & Ring. Doubt there are many heavyweights, if any at all, that have multiple wins over guys currently ranked simultaneously in the top 10 of all 5 groups you mentioned.

[theface07]

Stiverne was #2 or #3 in pretty much every major independent world ranking system when Wilder beat him for the title. AJ has never faced anybody ranked that high. Klitschko was inactive for so long after losing in a dreadful performance that he was removed from many rankings. So if we're removing all bias and just looking at the facts, Wilder is the only one that has faced a top prime fighter. AJ has not.

That's not a criticism of AJ. He's a great fighter and would likely be favored over Wilder. However, Wilder's resume is often unfairly criticized and we shouldn't forget that between the two of them, Wilder is actually the one with the higher ranking win.

This account is operated by three previous boxingscene posters. One of us has ties to the WBC, one to the WBA and one to the IBF. None of us currently work for any sanctioning body, but still stay in touch with those in charge.

Not true. Stiverne was the champion. He fell in the rankings after losing the title. Those in front of him lost or left for other organizations. So before long, Stiverne had risen from attrition. No corruption needed. Stiverne agreed to fight Povetkin in an eliminator to determine a new mandatory challenger. Povetkin cheated. Again. So Stiverne lucked out and got a title shot.

Stiverne "lucked out" to get the 2nd title shot? No, no no. There was no luck involved. After his incredibly poor, inactive ring performances in the 2 years before he got his second shot, he had done nothing of note to deserve being anywhere near a top 10 ranking, regardless of Povetkin testing positive and the mandatory challenge moving to next in line. There is nothing that you can say that will justify to me Stiverne being ranked in or near the top 3 of any governing body.
Rankings by individual boxing commissions are totally bias and inaccurate. Not a single one can be called definitive or representative of the actual top 10 fighters in any division. The top 10 rankings should reflect the legitimate top 10 fighters of any given division, end of story. The alphabet rankings do not do that.

[theface07]

Comparing Wlad and Botha...LOL that’s one of the funniest things I’ve seen on this forum ever

Yeah, that made me laugh. Some people are totally delusional.

[theface07]

It's very rare that somebody is simultaneously ranked in the top ten by the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO & Ring. Doubt there are many heavyweights, if any at all, that have multiple wins over guys currently ranked simultaneously in the top 10 of all 5 groups you mentioned.

You're probably right and that is a major problem. The rankings should not be subjective, bias or calculated based on criteria or algorithms unique to a specific governing body. They should be based on who has the best wins over a period of time over the best opponents and not affected by politics or bureaucracy.

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The rankings should not be subjective, bias or calculated based on criteria or algorithms unique to a specific governing body. They should be based on who has the best wins over a period of time over the best opponents and not affected by politics or bureaucracy.

Boxing essentially has four recognized major leagues. Those leagues rank the fighters fighting for their league. The champion of each league can only defend against the 15 fighters ranked by that league. If the leagues ranked a bunch of fighters who didn't want to fight for them, the rankings would be cluttered with unavailable fighters and the champions would have nobody to fight.

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Stiverne "lucked out" to get the 2nd title shot? No, no no. There was no luck involved.

So what would you call it when every fighter in front of him lost or left to fight for another league and then Povetkin failed a test? Surely luck plays a role in that. If those in front of him had won WBC fights, Stiverne wouldn't have moved up the rankings.

[Kezzer]

Lol.. they don't make sense to you because you are blinded by hype and can't process facts that don't match the hype around aj.

Stones at glass houses and all that. I merely was asking who made the rankings ? Given there are so many but majority would have some fo those higher in the list. Majority had Martin top10 when he was champion (rightly or wrongly), klistchko top3 - most top1, brazeale, molina and takam top 15 for example. Obviously some would have deviations.

[TheClap]

You might as well suck his balls as much as your swinging off of them.
Your swinging off his nutts like George of the jungle...

Jesus!