Fighters who ducked fighters but tried to make it look like the other way around

[Robbie Barrett]

^^^^^ only an ignorant casual fan dreams about this idiot post.

go sit in the corner and let us big boys talk about baxin.

You can't dispute it. Pacquiao became the star BECAUSE MAYWEATHER RETIRED. Always in Mayweathers Shadow. Pac the fart catcher.

[GhostofDempsey]

People say a lot of things to try portray themselves as smart.

There's no way anybody in boxing thought that fight was going to be worth 10x more, 5 years later when both are faded, older, one had been knocked out etc.. Everyone knew the fight would always be big no matter when it happened, Floyd included, but not that much bigger, given all the circumstances in-between.

It's easy for Floyd and other people later to say they purposely waited 5 years because it makes them look that bit smarter.

You shouldn't take everything so literally. Learn to understand why people say the things they do, when they do.

In this case, Floyd tripped over his own ego. He had been pressured for years to fight Manny, even threw a tantrum in the middle of the ring and cursed out poor Larry Merchant because he didn't want to address the elephant in the room while fans were booing his cheap shot victory over Ortiz.

Floyd delivered at least ten or more excuses over the span of 5 years to avoid Manny. He waited until he saw Manny lose a step before finally agreeing to fight him on his own terms.

When one fighter has a history of ducking (retired to avoid rematch with DLH and to avoid other prime fighters like Manny, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Willaims), and avoided other big names such as Casamayor, Freitas, Wright, Martinez, and prime Mosley, it's obvious who was ducking who all those years. Meanwhile, Manny was fighting monsters while moving up weight classes. Accepted rematches with dangerous opponents who could hurt him...why would he be ducking a guy who isn't a KO artist and not at all dangerous to him?

[Thraxox]

1) GGG also said he'd fight Floyd at 154. Should he be willing to take a fight with Canelo at 154? Or would you have a problem with that?

I would have a problem with it - because even though GGG said he'd knock out anyone at 154-168, it would still be unfair to expect a natural MW who has fought that weight his whole career to come down that much.

Also I'd have a problem with it because obviously GGG was only willing to consider that much weight cutting for a huge money fight against the greatest of an era, much the same as Ward was saying.

2) That request would be unfair and you know it.

Imagine if Rigo asked Loma to come down to 122, it would be unfair to Loma even if Loma said he was willing to do it because we have no idea whether Loma would be able to make that big a cut.

The same applies for Ward coming down to 160 for a fight w/ GGG. GGG would be fighting a dead man and the fight would be pointless.

He had no reason to think that Ward would take a fight at 164 and only offered that up with the expectation that Ward would have to back off from the fight.



You are gleaning his statements for what you want them to mean. He did not state that he intentionally held off the fight at all.

But what is clear as day is Pac and Roach saying he is afraid and weakened by needles used for drug testing. You are not addressing this because you know it's a sorry ass excuse that any other fighter would be eaten alive for using.

Pacquiao and Roach accepted Floyd's initial offers after rejecting it only to accept it once Manny realized it is the same testing he used against Ricky Hatton only for Floyd to add more road blocks and the negotiations dragged on.

Then with Floyd's statement of him purposely delaying the fight which can be translated from. "I waited for the right time to turn it to-" which the word WAITED is clear to be seen.

It's just you being in denial.

[chrisJS]

I'd say the one's that come to mind immediately are : -

Floyd ducking Pacquaio by waiting for him to burn out was boxing's worst kept secret. It worked though both made a ton of money but it did nothing for either legacy. The money means way more than legacy though.

Stevenson ducking Kovalev was shameful

Rigo ducking Lomachenko at 126 for more money than he took at 130 was both stupid and shameful

Garcia calling out Gamboa and pretending Gamboa was ducking him and then running from it

Hopkins-Jones, Calzaghe (at 168) and Toney (at 190)

[GhostofDempsey]

1) GGG also said he'd fight Floyd at 154. Should he be willing to take a fight with Canelo at 154? Or would you have a problem with that?

I would have a problem with it - because even though GGG said he'd knock out anyone at 154-168, it would still be unfair to expect a natural MW who has fought that weight his whole career to come down that much.

Also I'd have a problem with it because obviously GGG was only willing to consider that much weight cutting for a huge money fight against the greatest of an era, much the same as Ward was saying.

2) That request would be unfair and you know it.

Imagine if Rigo asked Loma to come down to 122, it would be unfair to Loma even if Loma said he was willing to do it because we have no idea whether Loma would be able to make that big a cut.

The same applies for Ward coming down to 160 for a fight w/ GGG. GGG would be fighting a dead man and the fight would be pointless.

He had no reason to think that Ward would take a fight at 164 and only offered that up with the expectation that Ward would have to back off from the fight.



You are gleaning his statements for what you want them to mean. He did not state that he intentionally held off the fight at all.

But what is clear as day is Pac and Roach saying he is afraid and weakened by needles used for drug testing. You are not addressing this because you know it's a sorry ass excuse that any other fighter would be eaten alive for using.

Why can't we just agree that neither Ward nor GGG wanted to give up a weight advantage to fight the other? Each of them contradicted themselves. It's a wash.

[Thraxox]

In this case, Floyd tripped over his own ego. He had been pressured for years to fight Manny, even threw a tantrum in the middle of the ring and cursed out poor Larry Merchant because he didn't want to address the elephant in the room while fans were booing his cheap shot victory over Ortiz.

Floyd delivered at least ten or more excuses over the span of 5 years to avoid Manny. He waited until he saw Manny lose a step before finally agreeing to fight him on his own terms.

When one fighter has a history of ducking (retired to avoid rematch with DLH and to avoid other prime fighters like Manny, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Willaims), and avoided other big names such as Casamayor, Freitas, Wright, Martinez, and prime Mosley, it's obvious who was ducking who all those years. Meanwhile, Manny was fighting monsters while moving up weight classes. Accepted rematches with dangerous opponents who could hurt him...why would he be ducking a guy who isn't a KO artist and not at all dangerous to him?

It's weird how a guy in a lower weight class who fought Prime A-level fighters at their weight classes is the one ducking instead of a guy who has a history of no fighting certain fighters and retiring when the division is hot.

[BrometheusBob.]

Because Floyd likes to portray himself as a genius business man in boxing, so he wants all the credit for the money that fight generated by saying he timed it that way.

Nobody plans 5 years in advance in boxing. It's too unstable.

Right?

How could he even know the fight would be available in 5 years? For all he knew Pacquiao would retire, or he would retire, or one of them would get badly injured ala Martinez, or they'd both take a bunch of losses and lose the value of the fight.

Hell, how many people even knew that Pacquiao's status would resurrect after getting viciously KO'd by Marquez?

Oh but because Floyd pointed out that the fight went up in value, it must mean that he was a wizard who had this all planned out and that everything happened as he knew it would.

[Robbie Barrett]

Pacquiao and Roach accepted Floyd's initial offers after rejecting it only to accept it once Manny realized it is the same testing he used against Ricky Hatton only for Floyd to add more road blocks and the negotiations dragged on.

Then with Floyd's statement of him purposely delaying the fight which can be translated from. "I waited for the right time to turn it to-" which the word WAITED is clear to be seen.

It's just you being in denial.

What?

He didn't do testing for Hatton. He only did testing after he got KTFO.

[GhostofDempsey]

Not reading, we already know you're one of the biggest *******s on here. It's embarrassing.

I would much rather take Freddie roaches word not yours

Well that was enlightening. Good to see you can lose an argument without even putting up a fight. You should have never bothered to reply to me in the first place if that's your reaction. You launch a personal attack yet I'm the *******? You're obviously someone's alt. Not even a very good one at that. Thanks for playing.

Next!

[GhostofDempsey]

It's weird how a guy in a lower weight class who fought Prime A-level fighters at their weight classes is the one ducking instead of a guy who has a history of no fighting certain fighters and retiring when the division is hot.

Precisely. I find it odd that Floyd fans cannot see the logic here. One guy has a history of fighting dangerous opponents who are bigger than him and giving them multiple rematches after going life and death with them...the other guy has a history of playing it safe and seeking every possible advantage over his opponent before agreeing to a fight. Open and shut case right there...as simple as a domestic violence charge and subsequent jail sentence. Ha!