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Originally posted by AdonisCreed
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I know that Broners considered too big but Garcia is the same natural size as loma a natural 135 lber as loma was 4 yrs in amatuers,& he schooled broner, that was my only point...
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All mexicans on hate train here?)
Just wonder what excuses will come after loma tko mike like he did to other guysComment
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Stop itOriginally posted by daggum View Postits obvious based on what? didnt loma just fight one of pbcs darlings a couple years ago in a 50/50 fight? we could very easily say well haymon doesnt want another of his fighters to lose and thats why he hasnt made an offer for a loma fight. garcia just had the chance to fight another promotions fighter and become champ at 135...oh he chose to fight random pbc fighter who sucks but lets ignore that even though thats precisely the thing you are complaining that top rank does.
loma was available and nope he chose to fight lipinets and run his mouth. thats his strategy it seems. talk a big game and fight no hopers. steadily move up the ladder based on hollow achievements like winning belts off of unknown bums like lipinets and wait as others lose. unfortunately this is a tried and true strategy that works on some fans.
I'm not saying Haymon doesn't pad the records or put his fighters in with soft touches but Haymon / PBC have shown they aren't afraid to put their fighters in 50/50 and let the chips fall where they may. In the last couple years they have put together
Thurman/Porter
Thurman/Garcia
Jack/Degeale
Degeale / Dirrell
Spence / Brook
Quicken / Jacobs
Mares / LSC
LSC / Frampton
Jack/ Stevenson ( Most likely )
Wilder/Ortiz ( Probably)
And probably many more if I actually thought about it, These are all fights that were toss ups with fighters in their prime and not a clear favourite
In the last 2-3 what 50/50 fights have TR put on maybe Bradley / Vargas and that's a stretch the rest of the fights their A side is the clear favorite
Top Rank doesn't put these type of fights on. Is it because their stable is so far ahead of the competition or they have carefull match making??
Loma / GRJ was a great fight with two young elite fighters in their prime but That was forced by the WBO. If not I doubt Top Rank would go out of their way to make that fight because that's not how they operate
I actually rate Lipinets, Think he's a top 5 guy at 140 and like the fight. But hopefully if Garcia wins he fights Linares (who's next fight is a nobody ) or Easter or another legit name. We'll see how it plays out
But I doubt Top Rank want Loma / Garcia because both are elite in their prime fighters and Loma would be moving up and Top rank has shown that's not how they do businessComment
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uh broner sucks dude. if you are talking about the 130 pound version then no...remember he lost to ponce de leon moving up in weight? i have no doublt russel jr and walters would easily beat broner at 130 and probably rigo as well since he was having so much trouble against ponce. if you are talking about 140 pound broner vs these guys...well thats kind of silly since they dont fight there.Originally posted by kushking View PostThen enlighten us as to why his resume is anything special. Enlighten me to how his resume isn't full of tiny no hopers & guys coming off hortible losses,yrs inactivity etc. He fought 4 a gift wbo title in his 1st fight ffs vs a fw bum. He lost it to salido then was allowed to refight for the same exact belt vs another inactive midget in russel. Lomas ENTIRE resume would be schooled by Broner ffs. Loma is the biggest hypejob since ggg bar none.
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most of those fights were in house and most were not 50-50 so i dont really understand your point. a 50-50 fight between 2 in house fighters isnt really that much of a risk since the promotion still wins. thats what top rank does a lot. thats what pbc does a lot. lets not pretend otherwise.Originally posted by R_Walken View Post
also a lot of those guys were unproven so thats why the odds were closer. for example when crawford fought prescott he was the underdog but now its hard to find someone who would be even money with crawford since we know how good he is. the odds dont say anything about the quality of opponent. its like saying floyd never fought anyone that was 50-50 with him...
top rank put donaire in with rigo, walters and magdaleno. manny in with plenty of top guys. loma fought russel jr and walters. crawford in with plenty of top guys. if thurman-garcia is a tough fight why isnt crawford vs postol or indongo? joseph parker vs andy ruiz and probably vs joshua next. so plenty of tough fights but you have to actually look and these are just some of their top guys i dont even know most their fighters. im not seeing a difference here. some good fights but mostly crap fights from both. thats how they operate.
lipinets sucks. top 5 based on what?
you keep saying thats not how top rank does business based on what? a false premise you came up with. they had garcia and he refused to make the tough fights. now hes fighting guys like broner and lipinets instead of guys like linares. garcia keeps talking about loma but what is he doing to actually make the fight? seems like nothing. does he not have his own promoter? make an offer for the fight or else he will always remain behind loma cause hes not passing him with these type of fights.Comment
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Broner shîts all over all those guys at 130,you swear as if him moving all the way up to 147 was possible despite him getting clowned by average tiny part timers at LW,Originally posted by daggum View Post
2 of his 3 losses were vs welters & good ones at that in Maidana & Porter,then Mikey at 140 who would beat Loma too.
And so you have audacity to act as if him having a close fight(a 10 rder he won convincingly) while he was 22 yrs old & still fighting 10 riders somehow means he would get beat by these tiny bums like russel or inactive nobodies like Walters. Broner was way too good for lower weights & did what good fighters do,he moved up & fought the best available opponents til he hit his ceiling.
Besides all of these things you claim hed get beat by bums like Russel or inactive nobody walters? Based on what? Oh right I forgot you base your Boxing logic on blind following of loma rather than logic.
Besides all these things my point was that Mikey Garcia whos lomas size exactly has moved all the way up to fight Broner & Schooled him,& Loma schooled tiny 37 yr old rigo & tiny other fw's coming off schoolings at lower weights. Mikey deserves to be higher than Loma in ranking or hypothetical matchups unless your extremely biased in lomas favor.Comment
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Originally posted by daggum View Post
Sh.it you wrote allot to try and respond to but I'll try and give it a go
You're right both PBC and TR do mostly in house fights but I think and shown that PBC is more willing to put their top guys in their prime against each other. Top Rank guys have a history of their A sides fighting legit threats who are old, inactive , moving up in weight or coming off a loss. You can disagree but I think the evidence proves otherwise
Those fights i mentioned the guys were not unproven. Danny Garcia , Frampton , Thurman , Degeale , LSC these guys where in their prime and established names
Thurman / Garcia is levels above what Crawford/ Indongo /Postol were
Thurman last fight before that was Porter possibly the WW with the deepest resume of the young guys and had beat multiple former world champions. Garcia was the king at 140 and had beaten Matthysse, Khan , Lamont, Guerrero, Zab , Moreales
Pistol while the 2nd best 140 ( worst div in boxing at the time ) has 1 decent name on his CV in Matthysse a fighter who has always come up short for a strap and who's best days where behind him ( he went life and death with Molina & Ruslan) Indongo got his belt off the worst strap holder in the division in Travosky who had never beaten any one of substance and Burns a fighter who hasn't beaten a legitimate name in years and got his belt off Di Rocco absolute garbage. Crawford was at the right place right time that's it and had TR behind him. His decent win over Diaz is good but Diaz has never held a strap and never beat a former world champion. These are not elite names
Jean,Lundy ,Molina aren't great names
Loma fighting Walters should get props but Walters was inactive and rumours were that he blew up in weight, Rigo had to jump up in weight and was old
Donaire did fight Walters and Magdalena but that was more shining Nonitos name to pass the torch they were not 50/50 fights IMO
With Crawford leaving it left the division wide open so guys like Ramirez, Iman, Lipinets , Bethamly , Progais can make some noise. I would put him in the top 5 he's tough as nails, can punch and the fights I've seen of him I think he's good. You can disagree cool he hasn't proven himself yet but no one has except Barthemly ( at lower weights )
It takes two to tango and I'm pretty sure Garcia and co know that Arum has no interest in putting Loma in with him right now
Linares would be a great fight and theyre mandated to fight each other and Mikey said that's his next fight so we'll see. But Linares isn't really fighting Top names his run of Cambell, Crolla , Mitchell isn't that impressive and GB may have pursued the fight but we don't know the numbersComment
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Originally posted by jmrf4435 View Post
he is a textbook technician, a real tough nut to crack..... as well as a sharpshooting counter-puncher with real good instincts
he is much bigger than Loma, and he can punch
Loma will have the exact same problems that Rigo had with himComment
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Loma too busy chasing Davis (a fight not many is interested in) instead.Comment
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