Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Leaves The Door Open - "I Do Miss Fighting"

[Froch_uppercut]

1st fight Ward lost the first fight, was down and got outboxed, but still got a win you can say its politics. FACT.
2nd fight Ref stopped the fight due to Kovalev’s getting punched in ****ing balls and not being able to to fight back. So instead of taking points away mfer stopped the right, he appoligized for that stoppage later on on social media - again fvkixng politics. FACT

**** WARD

This, and well said. Tellin' it like it is. He absolutely unequivocally 100% lost that first fight. Anyone arguing that is not being real.

[ThomasJK]

If the man is thinking about making a comeback, then that's his decision to make. Not really interested in a kovo trilogy fight but if it happens then it happens. I would like to see a showdown with Stevenson. Wouldn't mind seeing a Stevenson-Kovo fight for that matter. That fight might be a tell tale sign of whether Kovo is/was an over-hyped champion or not. There are a lot of good fights to be made at LHW for Andre Ward. Coming back may even eventually lead to a fight with GGG sometime down the road. Especially if GGG can unify the MW div. and move up to SMW. I know a lot of GGG haters would love that matchup. But like the old saying goes,....watch what you wish for, you may just get it. Always a chance things might not go as planned for AW. Love to see GGG take that "0" from Ward. Not because I don't care too much for him,....but to hear the Crying on this forum from all of his fanboys.. That's right About***ntim and Shadoowman, I'm talking about you guys!!!

[Mzembe]

Unfortunately for Floyd, he didn't inflict as much damage to those particular opponents you've mentioned to be classified as a 'warrior' according to my definition. He displayed poor punch technique required to actually hurt and inflict enough damage upon such opponents.

Floyd destroyed Corrales by dropping him multiple times and then stopping him. Floyd destroyed Arturo Gatti by inflicted visible damage upon his face and then also stopping him. That's boxing perfection: not getting hit and destroying the opponent by inflicting visible damage upon the opponent and / or stopping them / knocking them out.

On the other hand, against Maidana and Cotto, Floyd failed to inflict the necessary damage upon them. He also got hit a lot more comparatively. Thus, those performances were relatively poor from a boxing skills perspective. He got exposed in those bouts.

Against Guerrero, Floyd got hit less than he did against Cotto and Maidana but offensively didn't inflct as much damage to them as he did to Gatti and Corrales. Thus, he didn't fulfill the definition of a 'warrior' in those bouts.

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Guerrero hadn't lost in 8 years prior to the Floyd fight and Floyd made him look like a clown.

Do you realize that Floyd was in his twenties when he fought Gatti and Corrales? Are you deliberately ignoring that or you just don't know?

Lastly, Floyd is fighting guys that are mostly bigger than him at 147 so what is it that you expect? Him to demolish them the way he was beating guys at 135 and 140? Floyd has no KO power. You know that and the whole world knows that.

"He displayed poor technique"? Seriously? Floyd has poor boxing technique? This is the part where we part ways. I've seen guys on crack make more sense!
"He got exposed"? Dude! Stop!

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Guerrero hadn't lost in 8 years prior to the Floyd fight and Floyd made him look like a clown.

Do you realize that Floyd was in his twenties when he fought Gatti and Corrales? Are you deliberately ignoring that or you just don't know?

Lastly, Floyd is fighting guys that are mostly bigger than him at 147 so what is it that you expect? Him to demolish them the way he was beating guys at 135 and 140? Floyd has no KO power. You know that and the whole world knows that.

"He displayed poor technique"? Seriously? Floyd has poor boxing technique? This is the part where we part ways. I've seen guys on crack make more sense!
"He got exposed"? Dude! Stop!

Guerrero hadn't lost in 8 years prior to the Floyd fight and Floyd made him look like a clown.

Whilst Corrales was undefeated when Mayweather defeated him and Mayweather actually destroyed him by dropping him multiple times and then stopping him. Something Mayweather failed to do to Robert Guerrero who despite being out-boxed, barely looked damaged at all physically.

Do you realize that Floyd was in his twenties when he fought Gatti and Corrales? Are you deliberately ignoring that or you just don't know?

I do know this! However, I remain consistent with my logic. Floyd Mayweather Jr was more of a 'warrior' when he was younger and competing in the lower weight divisions compared to when he was older and competing in the higher weight divisions. That's just a matter of fact!

Lastly, Floyd is fighting guys that are mostly bigger than him at 147 so what is it that you expect? Him to demolish them the way he was beating guys at 135 and 140?

I'm not claiming that I expect anything from Floyd Mayweather Jr. I'm just stating to you what I've seen. What I see is that Floyd Mayweather Jr was more of a 'warrior' in his younger days when competing in the lower weight divisions because he was inflicting significant damage upon his opponents (not a bad / negative thing). Whereas, Floyd Mayweather Jr was less of a 'warrior' in his older days when competing in the heavier weight divisions because he was barely inflicting much damage upon his opponents (not a bad / negative thing either).

Floyd has no KO power.

Pretty much everyone has KO power. His problem was due to injured hands and not using proper power punching technique later on in his career.

"He displayed poor technique"? Seriously? Floyd has poor boxing technique? This is the part where we part ways. I've seen guys on crack make more sense!

Not overall poor boxing technique but purely power punching technique and I'm not even necessary claiming it's a bad thing or necessary blaming him for it. He had injured hands at an older age and I can obviously understand why he wouldn't punch with technique as good during such a period.

Good power punching technique is how Wladimir Klitschko punches. Near perfect punch mechanics, balance, form and etc. Even Rigondeaux has better power punching mechanics than old Mayweather.

[Mzembe]

Whilst Corrales was undefeated when Mayweather defeated him and Mayweather actually destroyed him by dropping him multiple times and then stopping him.

I do know this! However, I remain consistent with my logic. Floyd Mayweather Jr was more of a 'warrior' when he was younger and competing in the lower weight divisions compared to when he was older and competing in the higher weight divisions. That's just a matter of fact!

I'm not claiming that I expect anything from Floyd Mayweather Jr. I'm just stating to you what I've seen. What I see is that Floyd Mayweather Jr was more of a 'warrior' in his younger days when competing in the lower weight divisions because he was inflicting significant damage upon his opponents (not a bad / negative thing).

Pretty much everyone has KO power. His problem was due to injured hands and not using proper power punching technique later on in his career.

Not overall poor boxing technique but purely power punching technique and I'm not even necessary claiming it's a bad thing or necessary blaming him for it. He had injured hands at an older age and I can obviously understand why he wouldn't punch with technique as good during such a period.

Good power punching technique is how Wladimir Klitschko punches. Near perfect punch mechanics, balance, form and etc. Even Rigondeaux has better power punching mechanics than old Mayweather.

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Wladimir is a horrible boxer with garbage mechanics in every sense - foot work, etc. He is just a BIG guy with power in both hands. He was rendered useless by the human beluga called Tyson Fury. Wladimir has a great boxing record and I will not shyt on him because of that but Wlad gets beat up by good boxers with good technique. If David Haye was as tall as him he would have beaten him up easily.

Floyd moved up in weight so him inflicting damage on bigger guys was expected to go down but he did beat every single one of them in the same style that he's always had.

Look at Floyd's career after Hatton. He beat up Marquez in virtually every round. He landed the same punches he typically lands. I think what you are trying to say is that Floyd is no longer the offensive/aggressive fighter he was in his younger days. That makes more sense than saying he is not the warrior he once was.

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Wladimir is a horrible boxer with garbage mechanics in every sense - foot work, etc. He is just a BIG guy with power in both hands. He was rendered useless by the human beluga called Tyson Fury. Wladimir has a great boxing record and I will not shyt on him because of that but Wlad gets beat up by good boxers with good technique. If David Haye was as tall as him he would have beaten him up easily.

Floyd moved up in weight so him inflicting damage on bigger guys was expected to go down but he did beat every single one of them in the same style that he's always had.

Look at Floyd's career after Hatton. He beat up Marquez in virtually every round. He landed the same punches he typically lands. I think what you are trying to say is that Floyd is no longer the offensive/aggressive fighter he was in his younger days. That makes more sense than saying he is not the warrior he once was.

1) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko being a 'horrible boxer' with 'garbage mechanics' in every sense. Wladimir Klitschko actually
has some of the best accomplishments ever at real heavyweight (when a boxer's opponents weight above 200 pounds).

Such as the following:

- Knocked out more previously unbeaten opponents than any other heavyweight in history.

- Knocked out more previously UN-KO'ed opponents than any other heavyweight in history.

- Has beaten and knocked out more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion in history.

- Has beaten and knocked out opponents with more styles than any other heavyweight in history (especially at the elite level).

- Has the highest number of title defenses in REAL heavyweight bouts (when opponents weigh 200 pounds or above).

- Has the highest knockout quantity and percentage in championship bouts than any other heavyweight in history.

- Has lost fewer rounds than any other heavyweight in history (excluding his brother Vitali Klitschko).

- Has defeated more mandatory challengers and top ranked opponents by knockout, than any other heavyweight champion in history.

- Has one of the best win / loss ratio in his career record, out of the number of bouts he has had.

Ergo, the actual facts contradict and disproves your unsubstantiated claim (most likely a hater's / fanboy's opinion).

Being the best heavyweight in the world is the ultimate accomplishment. Something Mayweather can only dream of accomplishing.

The fact that he ranks higher than any other past heavyweight champion in so many knockout categories (knockouts in late rounds, knockouts in championship bouts, knockouts against undefeated opponents and etc.) actually proves how good his mechanics are whilst disproving your erroneous claim about mechanics being bad.

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He is just a BIG guy with power in both hands.

And has the greatest jab in history. And has the greatest distance control in history. And has one of the best defense ever for not just a heavyweight, but a boxer in general. And is one of the most athletic boxers ever for someone weighing above 230 pounds and for someone taller than 6 foot 3 inches.

There have been big guys and powerful guys in the heavyweight division before, but nobody (except perhaps Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko) have come close to accomplishing what Wladimir Klitschko has.


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He was rendered useless by the human beluga called Tyson Fury.

And do you want to know what happened to other past heavyweight champions when they were the age of 38 (or close to it)? Most were either retired or losing to much inferior opposition than Tyson Fury. Some even long before the age of 38.

There is no shame in losing to another top level boxer who is younger than you by over a decade when you are close to the age of 40.


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but Wlad gets beat up by good boxers with good technique.

Wladimir Klitschko has lost only 5 times out of 69 bouts and has totally cleaned out the heavyweight division and remained at the absolute top for around a decade. Do you realize what that even means and how impressive that is?

For someone who supposedly gets beat up by good boxers with good technique, he should've lost more than 5 times out of 69 bouts, according to your own logic. That's one the greatest win / loss ratio for any heavyweight champion with over 50 bouts.

So due to such few losses out of the extremely high number of bouts he has had (69 bouts), which is more than any past heavyweight champion in history at REAL heavyweight (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds). Your argument that he loses against good boxers with good technique is pretty weak.


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If David Haye was as tall as him he would have beaten him up easily.

And if I had wings, I could fly.

And if Wladimir Klitschko had David Haye's speed, Wlad would've destroyed haye even easier.

Ifs and buts are utter speculation.

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Floyd moved up in weight so him inflicting damage on bigger guys was expected to go down but he did beat every single one of them in the same style that he's always had.

I agree it's expected to go down and I never claimed it was a negative thing or that I had a problem against it. Just that when a boxer doesn't inflict sufficient enough damage upon his opponents, they can't be considered a 'warrior' (which isn't a bad thing again) according to my definition, that's all!


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I think what you are trying to say is that Floyd is no longer the offensive/aggressive fighter he was in his younger days. That makes more sense than saying he is not the warrior he once was.

Again, according to my definition, one must inflict enough damage upon their opponents to be considered a 'warrior'. If a boxer doesn't, then I don't classify them as a 'warrior'. It's really as simple as that! Who someone boxes against or how heavy their opponent is irrelevant when I establish whether a boxer is 'warrior' or not.

I'm not sure what your problem is. It seems like you have a problem with me claiming Mayweather wasn't a warrior under his Alias 'Money May'? As I stated, I've got no problem with that!

[Mzembe]

1) In regards to Wladimir Klitschko being a 'horrible boxer' with 'garbage mechanics' in every sense. Wladimir Klitschko actually
has some of the best accomplishments ever at real heavyweight (when a boxer's opponents weight above 200 pounds).

Such as the following:

- Knocked out more previously unbeaten opponents than any other heavyweight in history.

- Knocked out more previously UN-KO'ed opponents than any other heavyweight in history.

- Has beaten and knocked out more southpaws than any other heavyweight champion in history.

- Has beaten and knocked out opponents with more styles than any other heavyweight in history (especially at the elite level).

- Has the highest number of title defenses in REAL heavyweight bouts (when opponents weigh 200 pounds or above).

- Has the highest knockout quantity and percentage in championship bouts than any other heavyweight in history.

- Has lost fewer rounds than any other heavyweight in history (excluding his brother Vitali Klitschko).

- Has defeated more mandatory challengers and top ranked opponents by knockout, than any other heavyweight champion in history.

- Has one of the best win / loss ratio in his career record, out of the number of bouts he has had.

Ergo, the actual facts contradict and disproves your unsubstantiated claim (most likely a hater's / fanboy's opinion).

Being the best heavyweight in the world is the ultimate accomplishment. Something Mayweather can only dream of accomplishing.

The fact that he ranks higher than any other past heavyweight champion in so many knockout categories (knockouts in late rounds, knockouts in championship bouts, knockouts against undefeated opponents and etc.) actually proves how good his mechanics are whilst disproving your erroneous claim about mechanics being bad.

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And has the greatest jab in history. And has the greatest distance control in history. And has one of the best defense ever for not just a heavyweight, but a boxer in general. And is one of the most athletic boxers ever for someone weighing above 230 pounds and for someone taller than 6 foot 3 inches.

There have been big guys and powerful guys in the heavyweight division before, but nobody (except perhaps Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko) have come close to accomplishing what Wladimir Klitschko has.

There is no shame in losing to another top level boxer who is younger than you by over a decade when you are close to the age of 40.


4) Wladimir Klitschko has lost only 5 times out of 69 bouts and has totally cleaned out the heavyweight division and remained at the absolute top for around a decade. Do you realize what that even means and how impressive that is?

For someone who supposedly gets beat up by good boxers with good technique, he should've lost more than 5 times out of 69 bouts, according to your own logic. That's one the greatest win / loss ratio for any heavyweight champion with over 50 bouts.

So due to such few losses out of the extremely high number of bouts he has had (69 bouts), which is more than any past heavyweight champion in history at REAL heavyweight (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds). Your argument that he loses against good boxers with good technique is pretty weak.


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And if I had wings, I could fly.

And if Wladimir Klitschko had David Haye's speed, Wlad would've destroyed haye even easier.

Ifs and buts are utter speculation.

7) Again, according to my definition, one must inflict enough damage upon their opponents to be considered a 'warrior'. If a boxer doesn't, then I don't classify them as a 'warrior'. It's really as simple as that! Who someone boxes against or how heavy their opponent is irrelevant when I establish whether a boxer is 'warrior' or not.

I'm not sure what your problem is. It seems like you have a problem with me claiming Mayweather wasn't a warrior under his Alias 'Money May'? As I stated, I've got no problem with that!

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I just wanted to get your attention with Wladimir. I agree with literally everything you've said about him. I have posted dozens of posts about him in that regard.

I even bet money on Wladimir to beat Anthony Joshua and I'll still pick him to beat Joshua if he was to come out of retirement.

The one thing that Wladimir lacks is athleticism - despite being one of the best conditioned HW I have seen in a long time, he doesn't move fast on his feet like say Ali or Floyd. He's flat footed but makes up for it with the best jab in business as you say.

Having said all that, Wladimir will get beat by a speedy and big guy like Wilder. I would bet anything Wilder KO's Wladimir in less than 5 rounds. Be it now or 4 years ago.

And that is exactly my point when dissecting Floyd. Floyd is a flawless boxer in every sense. Let's look at his intangibles:

1) His defensive style is unlike any in the history of the sport
2)His razor sharp straight right hand should be in a museum as it is perfect in every sense
3) He is the most conditioned boxer EVER. I have NEVER seen Floyd get tired in a fight. He fights EXACTLY the same way in every round. There is no difference in his first round or last round.
4) Floyd fights in inches and timing. Look at his pull counter. It's perfect. I've seen great boxers under estimate the pull counter and get dropped or get tagged. Roy Jones is a perfect example and I love RJ
5) Ring generalship - when have you seen Floyd lose control of the ring? Even against swarmers like Maidana and Castillo or even Pacman.
6) Accuracy - I can count the number of times Floyd has missed hitting someone. His accuracy is unlike any boxer. EVER
7) Speed - both hand speed and foot work. Floyd's left hook at the lower weight class was something even Jesus himself would envy.

I mean I could go on but I am sure you agree with me and see what I see. The topic of him being a warrior is subjective at this point but in my opinion, Mayweather is the GREATEST boxer to ever lace gloves. That is a debate I'd like to have with you or anyone.

[Mr Objecitivity]

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I just wanted to get your attention with Wladimir. I agree with literally everything you've said about him. I have posted dozens of posts about him in that regard.

I even bet money on Wladimir to beat Anthony Joshua and I'll still pick him to beat Joshua if he was to come out of retirement.

The one thing that Wladimir lacks is athleticism - despite being one of the best conditioned HW I have seen in a long time, he doesn't move fast on his feet like say Ali or Floyd. He's flat footed but makes up for it with the best jab in business as you say.

Having said all that, Wladimir will get beat by a speedy and big guy like Wilder. I would bet anything Wilder KO's Wladimir in less than 5 rounds. Be it now or 4 years ago.

And that is exactly my point when dissecting Floyd. Floyd is a flawless boxer in every sense. Let's look at his intangibles:

1) His defensive style is unlike any in the history of the sport
2)His razor sharp straight right hand should be in a museum as it is perfect in every sense
3) He is the most conditioned boxer EVER. I have NEVER seen Floyd get tired in a fight. He fights EXACTLY the same way in every round. There is no difference in his first round or last round.
4) Floyd fights in inches and timing. Look at his pull counter. It's perfect. I've seen great boxers under estimate the pull counter and get dropped or get tagged. Roy Jones is a perfect example and I love RJ
5) Ring generalship - when have you seen Floyd lose control of the ring? Even against swarmers like Maidana and Castillo or even Pacman.
6) Accuracy - I can count the number of times Floyd has missed hitting someone. His accuracy is unlike any boxer. EVER
7) Speed - both hand speed and foot work. Floyd's left hook at the lower weight class was something even Jesus himself would envy.

I mean I could go on but I am sure you agree with me and see what I see. The topic of him being a warrior is subjective at this point but in my opinion, Mayweather is the GREATEST boxer to ever lace gloves. That is a debate I'd like to have with you or anyone.

Actually, Wladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest athletes of all time for a super heavyweight at 6 foot 6 and at 240 + pounds. For his size, there isn't a better athlete in boxing.

You're totally incorrect about his footwork. Wladimir Klitschko has gone rounds without even getting touched against many opponents. You want to know why? Because of his control over distance and range. which he is one of the greatest at. You want to know what that's based on? His great footwork and jab.

So for all your criticism about his so called lack of footwork and athleticism, his record proves otherwise. There hasn't been a heavyweight who has lost as fewer rounds as Wladimir Klitschko. On the other hand, ancient heavyweights like Muhammad Ali get drawn into brawls and close bouts where they lose many rounds. You want to know why? Because their footwork is inferior.

just look at Wladimir Klitschko's footwork against David Haye and then compare it to Ali's against Joe Frazier. There's a gulf of difference in quality which Wladimir Klitschko has the advantage in.

As for Wilder being able to beat Wladimir Klitschko. You do realize that Wladimir Klitschko dropped Deontay Wilder multiple times in sparring and then knocked him out cold, right? You do also realize that Deontay Wilder and his team stated that they weren't ready / prepared to face Wladimir Klitshcko when asked, right?

Deontay Wilder failed to KO Gerald Washington, who happens to be Wladimir Klitschko's sparring partner and he needed a premature stoppage TKO victory whilst Washington was still standing. Gerald Washington doesn't punch anywhere near as hard or powerfully as Wladimir Klitschko. Nor is his jab or footwork as good as Wladimir Klitshcko's. yet, he won practically every round against Wilder until Wilder landed a random right hand. If that was Wladimir Klitschko against Wilder instead of Washington, Wladimir Klitschko would've most likely knocked Wilder out in 6 rounds

David Haye is faster than Wilder and he couldn't even come close to Wladimir Klitschko for 12 rounds. In fact, Haye barely even won a round. However, Haye is very elusive and therefore managed to survive 12 rounds. Wilder is slower and is less elusive than Haye. Therefore, he gets knocked out by Wladimir Klitschko.

I am a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan. He is a great boxer but he is not 100% perfect. Out of those points you've made about Floyd Mayweather Jr, I do believe he is one of the best in most of those departments but there are others better in a lot of those departments as well. For example, his punch technique isn't as good as Wladimir Klitschko's on the right hand. Nor is his jab.

As for the topic of Floyd Mayweather JR being a 'warrior'. Yes, it is somewhat subjective because I have a specific definition of what it means for a boxer to be a 'warrior'.

As for Floyd Mayweather being the 'greatest'. It depends on how we're defining 'greatness'. For example, he wouldn't be the greatest head to head because an average heavyweight would destroy him in the ring. He may be the greatest in terms of accomplishment in a pound for pound sense though. it's debatable. In terms of pure boxing skills, I don't have any problems with someone ranking him number 1 because he is definitely in the top 5 of my ranking but I may rank a few boxers slightly ahead of him.

[Mzembe]

Actually, Wladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest athletes of all time for a super heavyweight at 6 foot 6 and at 240 + pounds. For his size, there isn't a better athlete in boxing.

You're totally incorrect about his footwork. Wladimir Klitschko has gone rounds without even getting touched against many opponents. You want to know why? Because of his control over distance and range. which he is one of the greatest at. You want to know what that's based on? His great footwork and jab.

There hasn't been a heavyweight who has lost as fewer rounds as Wladimir Klitschko. On the other hand, ancient heavyweights like Muhammad Ali get drawn into brawls and close bouts where they lose many rounds. You want to know why? Because their footwork is inferior.

As for Wilder being able to beat Wladimir Klitschko. You do realize that Wladimir Klitschko dropped Deontay Wilder multiple times in sparring and then knocked him out cold, right? You do also realize that Deontay Wilder and his team stated that they weren't ready / prepared to face Wladimir Klitshcko when asked, right?

I am a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan. He is a great boxer but he is not 100% perfect. Out of those points you've made about Floyd Mayweather Jr, I do believe he is one of the best in most of those departments but there are others better in a lot of those departments as well. For example, his punch technique isn't as good as Wladimir Klitschko's on the right hand. Nor is his jab.

As for the topic of Floyd Mayweather JR being a 'warrior'. Yes, it is somewhat subjective because I have a specific definition of what it means for a boxer to be a 'warrior'.

As for Floyd Mayweather being the 'greatest'. It depends on how we're defining 'greatness'. For example, he wouldn't be the greatest head to head because an average heavyweight would destroy him in the ring. He may be the greatest in terms of accomplishment in a pound for pound sense though. it's debatable. In terms of pure boxing skills, I don't have any problems with someone ranking him number 1 because he is definitely in the top 5 of my ranking but I may rank a few boxers slightly ahead of him.

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Bro, your logic is compelling but it's riddled with holes. I tend to agree with a lot of things you say until you go on the extreme end of something that is too opinionated:-

The way you talk about Wladimir it's almost like you forget he got beat by Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster so easily that everything you say about him seem incorrect. Where was his footwork, athleticism or even jab? Not to mention he lost to other boxers too. Please don't tell me about his training and how he hooked up with Steward is what made him better. He got beat by lesser boxers. Period.
To say that his footwork is better than Ali is tantamount to treason. When was the last time you saw a HW move like Ali? He literally danced around his opponents for 15 rounds. Ali was a great boxer and would easily beat Wladimir in a hypothetical mythical fight.

I've heard those rumors of Wilder getting KO'd but I've also heard rumors of Errol Spence dropping Mayweather. Maybe they are true and maybe not. We may never know.

Do you think Wladimir is a better boxer than Floyd? You gotta factor in those 6 losses while you respond

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Bro, your logic is compelling but it's riddled with holes. I tend to agree with a lot of things you say until you go on the extreme end of something that is too opinionated:-

The way you talk about Wladimir it's almost like you forget he got beat by Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster so easily that everything you say about him seem incorrect. Where was his footwork, athleticism or even jab? Not to mention he lost to other boxers too. Please don't tell me about his training and how he hooked up with Steward is what made him better. He got beat by lesser boxers. Period.
To say that his footwork is better than Ali is tantamount to treason. When was the last time you saw a HW move like Ali? He literally danced around his opponents for 15 rounds. Ali was a great boxer and would easily beat Wladimir in a hypothetical mythical fight.

I've heard those rumors of Wilder getting KO'd but I've also heard rumors of Errol Spence dropping Mayweather. Maybe they are true and maybe not. We may never know.

Do you think Wladimir is a better boxer than Floyd? You gotta factor in those 6 losses while you respond

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Bro, your logic is compelling but it's riddled with holes. I tend to agree with a lot of things you say until you go on the extreme end of something that is too opinionated:-

Nearly every one of my conclusion, if not all of my conclusions in regards to Wladimir Klitschko's quality as a boxer is based on facts. I have facts and stats to substantiate my claims in regards to Wladimir Klitschko's boxing career.

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The way you talk about Wladimir it's almost like you forget he got beat by Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster so easily

No, I haven't forgot. Rather, one or two bouts out of a boxer's entire career record spanning 69 bouts (which is unprecedented for a 6 foot 6, 240+ super heavyweight) has very little relevance. The entirety of that boxer's career as a whole matters. In other words, what that boxer accomplished before and after the few losses that the boxer experienced is what matters more.

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Where was his footwork, athleticism or even jab?

His footwork, athleticism and jab enabled him to accomplish unprecedented feats in his career that no past heavyweight champion has before him. And he has accomplished so many of those feats, as I've already mentioned on one of my previous posts.

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To say that his footwork is better than Ali is tantamount to treason.

No, it isn't! Perhaps to western nostalgic individuals who worship Muhammad Ali and his era or overrate it to ridiculous levels. That isn't the case with an objective individual like myself.

Ali was a great boxer and would easily beat Wladimir in a hypothetical mythical fight.

Pretty much everything you need to know about the comparisons between Muhammad Ali and Wladimir Klitschko are covered on this article of the following blog:

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2342/...s-muhammad-ali

If you have an open mind, then after reading the article, you may change your conclusions on many things that may have been previously false.

However, if you are closed minded, then you would most likely still hold some of the erroneous beliefs.

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When was the last time you saw a HW move like Ali?

Muhammad Ali wouldn't qualify as a heavyweight by modern standards. In Ali's time, the minimum weight required to be a heavyweight was 176 pounds (lower than modern female heavyweight requirements). In the modern era, it is 200+ pounds.

Thus, majority of Ali's opponents and bouts would've been cruiser weight and some even light heavyweight by modern standards.

Muhammad Ali would today be more comparable to someone like Oleksandr Usyk than any elite heavyweight today or during Wladimir Klitschko's era. Muhammad Ali is closer to Usyk's size than he is to any of the top heavyweights in the modern era. And he would most likely be competing in the cruiser weight division in the modern era and not in the heavyweight division. And as far as I'm concerned, Oleksandr Usyk has better footwork than Muhammad Ali. Usyk is also the better athlete with far better fundamentals.

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I've heard those rumors of Wilder getting KO'd but I've also heard rumors of Errol Spence dropping Mayweather. Maybe they are true and maybe not. We may never know.

What we do know for a fact is that when Wilder's team were asked about a match against Wladimir Klitschko, they claimed Wilder wasn't ready or prepared at the time. And what we also do know for a fact is that he has barely proven himself at the elite level against the best possible opponents for anybody to prematurely claim that he would be the favorite to beat Wladimir Klitschko. As of now, Anthony Joshua stands a better chance at beating Wladimir Klitschko than Deontay Wilder against even a prime Wladimir Klitschko from 2006 - 2012 due to being more proven.

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Do you think Wladimir is a better boxer than Floyd? You gotta factor in those 6 losses while you respond

'Better' in what way? From a head to head perspective? Absolutely! Wladimir Klitschko is most likely going to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr in an actual boxing match with just a few punches.

So you obviously have to be specific by defining the word 'better'.