If Crawford destroyed Lomachenko at 140 how much credit would he get?

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  • Dip_Slide
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    #11
    Not a lot and he shouldn't, the size difference is way too big.

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    • Lester Tutor
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      #12
      Originally posted by Vlad_
      Loma started his pro career at 126, moved up to 130, and will probably move up to 135 now.
      Rigo started at 122 and stayed stuck there. He could have easily moved up to 126 for a while already....
      2013 - Loma - 25 years of age - Turns Pro - MOVES DOWN TO FEATHERWEIGHT 126.....after Fighting at 132lbs 60kg Lightweight Olympics...2012, yet still continued in the ams in 2013 at Lightweight!

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      • Vlad_
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        #13
        Originally posted by Evil_Meat
        I'm not even going to look this one up. But I don't think Rigo started his career at 122. Keep talking **** though.
        I said PRO CAREER
        Rigo’s first pro fight was against Juan Noriega and it was at Super Bantam, where Rigo weighed in at 122.25 lbs

        http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Gu...._Juan_Noriega

        And Rigo stayed at 122 for all of his PRO CAREER, so go keep on claiming how I talk shlt while you can’t even read properly...

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          #14
          Originally posted by LalinPromotions
          2013 - Loma - 25 years of age - Turns Pro - MOVES DOWN TO FEATHERWEIGHT 126.....after Fighting at 132lbs 60kg Lightweight Olympics...2012, yet still continued in the ams in 2013 at Lightweight!
          You unignored me to reply me this?
          Do you read? I specifically stated PRO CAREER
          Whatever they weighed at amateurs I don’t care. They chose weights for their PRO CAREERS that suited them, and that is what I was comparing.
          Rigo had his first pro fight against Juan Noriega at 122, and stayed at that weight since. Loma had his first pro fight at 130, abd already moved up...

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          • Evil_Meat
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            #15
            Originally posted by Vlad_
            I said PRO CAREER
            Rigo’s first pro fight was against Juan Noriega and it was at Super Bantam, where Rigo weighed in at 122.25 lbs

            http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Gu...._Juan_Noriega

            And Rigo stayed at 122 for all of his PRO CAREER, so go keep on claiming how I talk shlt while you can’t even read properly...
            You're right. I can't read your posts properly since you're just one of those people that think size wasn't a factor against Loma. I just can't take you seriously at all, and I made a mistake so I must know absolutely nothing.

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            • Vlad_
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              #16
              Originally posted by BrometheusBob.
              Idk, Loma is not a huge 130lb fighter.

              It'd at least be his best win though for sure.

              EDIT: I'm assuming that Crawford makes 140 for the fight.
              Loma started his Pro career, at 126, already moved up once to 130, so a second move in weight would be 135.
              So comparing Loma - Crawford to Rigo - Loma, in which case Rigo moved up 2 divisions, would be a second weight division jump for Loma, and that would be 135.
              So the better argument would be Loma - Garcia at 135...
              Last edited by Vlad_; 12-11-2017, 12:07 PM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Vlad_
                Loma started his Pro career, at 126, already moved up once to 130, so a second move in weight would be 135. So comparing Loma - Crawford to Rigo - Loma would be faire by a division jump, so the fair weight would be Loma - Crawford at 135...
                130->140 = 10 lbs
                130->135 = 5 lbs
                122->130 = 8 lbs

                8 is closer to 10

                That being said the win would be much more noteworthy to me if Loma got a credible win at 135 first.

                Realistically the timing won't align. Crawford is expected to fight Horn at 147, Loma doesn't look like he's gonna pick up in weight quickly enough to make a fight with Crawford happen anytime soon.

                The real fights to hope for in 2018 are Loma-Garcia/Berchelt, Crawford-Spence/Thurman.

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                • Vlad_
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Evil_Meat
                  You're right. I can't read your posts properly since you're just one of those people that think size wasn't a factor against Loma. I just can't take you seriously at all, and I made a mistake so I must know absolutely nothing.
                  I never said you know nothing, but in this case I was right regarding their career weights. And no, size was nothing. Skill and heart were everything.
                  For this fight, at 130:
                  Rigo weighed in at 128,5 and Loma weighed in at 129.
                  The next day weigh in, Rigo hydrated to 130 and Loma to 137...
                  Let’s consider the fight at 126, they both weigh in at 126 instead, on second day weigh in, Rigo would likely rehydrate to weight of 129-130, and Loma would rehydrate to 134-135, so come fight night, Rigo would be at the same weight as he was for this fight, and Loma would have perhaps been 1.5-2 pounds lighter then he was... do you think that 2 pound difference would have made any single difference? No, it was all skill the weigh in at 126 would have made ZERO difference.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by BrometheusBob.
                    130->140 = 10 lbs
                    130->135 = 5 lbs
                    122->130 = 8 lbs

                    8 is closer to 10

                    That being said the win would be much more noteworthy to me if Loma got a credible win at 135 first.

                    Realistically the timing won't align. Crawford is expected to fight Horn at 147, Loma doesn't look like he's gonna pick up in weight quickly enough to make a fight with Crawford happen anytime soon.

                    The real fights to hope for in 2018 are Loma-Garcia/Berchelt, Crawford-Spence/Thurman.
                    Definitely agree with all you say, but what I meant was that Loma started his career at 126, not 130, he already made a first division jump. So a second jump would be 130 to 135.
                    So Loma’s 2 division jump is
                    126 > 130 > 135 = + 11lbs

                    Rigo was at 122 for all of his career
                    So 122 > 126 > 130 = +8lbs

                    So the equivalent to Rigo’s 122-130 would be Loma’s 126-135...

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                    • Bobby Shaw
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                      #20
                      Loma is big and should be fighting at 140 and 147lbs anyway. Let him fight Erroll Spence then we will know whether he can swim like he claims he can.

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