Which countries have never produced a world champion?

[RedZmaja]

Cuba won three gold and three bronze, for a total of six medals. What more do you want? Haha The only country that did better was Uzbekistan, with a total of seven medals (three gold). Funny thing is — and I don’t know this for certain, but I would be willing to bet — Cuba probably sent coaches and trainers to help with that country’s boxing program.

This year, in Germany, Cuba reasserted herself as the juggernaut in world amateur boxing, winning the AIBA Championships with five gold and two silver medals. Uzbekistan came in second with one gold, three silver and two bronze. Kazakhstan came in third with one gold, two silver and three bronze. Doesn’t look like Cuba is easing up to me. Lol

That's because Cubans put everything into amateur boxing while other guys move to the pros. They got beaten by Uzbekistan like you said, do you consider Uzbekistan a global boxing world power?

[pesticid]

Very interesting. Wouldn’t surprise me. Amateur boxing seems as prone to corruption as its professional big brother.

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[pesticid]

That's because Cubans put everything into amateur boxing while other guys move to the pros. They got beaten by Uzbekistan like you said, do you consider Uzbekistan a global boxing world power?

You're such a dummy, I don't even know where to begin with.

Cubans can't come to U.S and the ones that have made it like Lara, Rigondeaux, Barthelemy, Ugas, Gamboa, Dorticos, Ortiz are or have been champs. That's pretty successful.

Imagine you bring in Robeisy, Lazaro, Andy Cruz, Roniel, Arlen, La Sombra and Savon from the current squad. It will be almost a complete takeover of professional boxing.

[mani1]

There have been three Yemeni world champions, two male (Naseem Hamed and Sadam Ali), and one female (Isra Girgrah). Hamed was born and raised in Sheffield, England, and Ali was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY, USA. Girgrah, although born in Yemen, lived in Canada from the age of three. It’s no coincidence that these three grew up where they did. Had they been born or raised in Yemen, they would not have been world champions. That’s without a shadow of a doubt. Once again, this supports my theory: culture, opportunity and resources. There might be those that would claim “Yemeni people can’t fight,” because no boxing champions actually come from there, but clearly that is not the case.

Yafai has roots in Yemen too

[CubanGuyNYC]

That's because Cubans put everything into amateur boxing while other guys move to the pros. They got beaten by Uzbekistan like you said, do you consider Uzbekistan a global boxing world power?

Well, obviously they are! Haha At least in the amateurs. Once again, we’re back to one of my criteria: opportunity. Uzbeks don’t have ready access to the big pro markets.

I’ve heard the argument that Cuba “puts everything” into their boxing program for years (actually, their entire sports program). There’s no dis*****g the focus, but it still doesn’t adequately explain how a small, impoverished, third world island-nation is so disproportionately successful at sports on the world stage. You’ve gotta give credit where credit is due. Your statement seeks to brush aside a great achievement with very little thought.

[RedZmaja]

You're such a dummy, I don't even know where to begin with.

Cubans can't come to U.S and the ones that have made it like Lara, Rigondeaux, Barthelemy, Ugas, Gamboa, Dorticos, Ortiz are or have been champs. That's pretty successful.

Well that just proves my point doesn't it? Cubans are stuck in the amateurs that's why they win those medals.

Imagine you bring in Robeisy, Lazaro, Andy Cruz, Roniel, Arlen, La Sombra and Savon from the current squad.

But that's why those guys win medals in the Olympics which was the point I was arguing for.

You can go the other way too, imagine if you had Golovkin, Gvozdyk, Usyk and Loma still stuck in the amateurs. How many medals would Cuba win then?

It will be almost a complete takeover of professional boxing

LOL you listed like 7 guys who might or might not be suited for pro boxing. There are 17 divisions in boxing multiplied by 4 ABC belts for each one. So those Cubans would just take over all the 68 belts or what? You're completely delusional.

[RedZmaja]

There’s no dis*****g the focus, but it still doesn’t adequately explain how a small, impoverished, third world island-nation is so disproportionately successful at sports on the world stage. You’ve gotta give credit where credit is due. Your statement seeks to brush aside a great achievement with very little thought.

I give Cubans credit for being a boxing nation. My statement was a reply to the guy who was saying ridiculous things about Cuban amateurs being able to "completely take over" professional boxing if there were no limitations and that Andy Cruz could beat Loma and Crawford right now (LOL).

If those amateurs were so great that they could just step into the pro world and beat all the elite fighters with no pro experience, they should have completely dominated the much less competitive amateur competitions. Not just win some medals but obliterate them. Which of course, doesn't happen, Uzbekistan actually won more medals than them.

Hrgović knocked out a lot of Cubans in the amateurs so how the hell would the Cubans take over the HW division for example?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yafai has roots in Yemen too

Good call. But Khalid Yafai is not a world champion (yet). Interestingly, he’s yet another Yemeni athlete born in Great Britain. Still more proof that the countries that haven’t produced champion boxers haven’t done so because of the lack of a boxing culture, opportunity and resources.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I give Cubans credit for being a boxing nation. My statement was a reply to the guy who was saying ridiculous things about Cuban amateurs being able to "completely take over" professional boxing if there were no limitations and that Andy Cruz could beat Loma and Crawford right now (LOL).

If those amateurs were so great that they could just step into the pro world and beat all the elite fighters with no pro experience, they should have completely dominated the much less competitive amateur competitions. Not just win some medals but obliterate them. Which of course, doesn't happen, Uzbekistan actually won more medals than them.

Hrgović knocked out a lot of Cubans in the amateurs so how the hell would the Cubans take over the HW division for example?

Every Cuban that is stuck in the amateur system and continues to win medals was once new. So, yes, the gold medal tally would probably be diminished, but the history of Cuban gold medals in boxing would still be impressive.

Then you have guys like Lara and Rances Barthelemy, who never won Olympic medals, but became professional world champions. Luis Ortiz is another one. He’s not a champ, but he’s definitely a serious contender. There are probably a lot of Cuban fighters who don’t sport the hardware but would probably do pretty well as professionals.

I don’t agree that Cubans would necessarily “take over” pro boxing if allowed to freely compete, but I do agree that there would be even more Cuban professional champions. Of that I have no doubt. The number would be disproportionate. Of that I have no doubt as well. It already is.

[mani1]

Good call. But Khalid Yafai is not a world champion (yet). Interestingly, he’s yet another Yemeni athlete born in Great Britain. Still more proof that the countries that haven’t produced champion boxers haven’t done so because of the lack of a boxing culture, opportunity and resources.

He won the vacant wba superfly belt after beating Luis Concepcion