Deontay Wilder's Delusional DuckSquad Is Out In Force

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Not in the HW division you aren't, when was the last time you had the HW king, 20+ years ago? For a nation that probably has the most 200+ lb people on earth you're doing poorly.

You Yanks are jealous. You always talk about how great the British atmosphere at fights is, until it's one of your own you're defending.

The atmosphere is great I’m just saying in America we don’t support just anyone. In the 80’s Tyson was putting up massive ppv numbers and in the end he had to go to Tokyo. 90,000 fans to watch our champ face some bum would never happen in America yet you guys brag about it. Lol somehow I just get a laugh out of that.

[JRB123]

I think it is just a negotiation tactic.. But the fact he said 50-50 ...OR NO FIGHT... That doesn't sit well, it sounds like a ultimatum and Hearn already said Wilder is not willing to budge from 50-50 so staring to look like a duck move.

But these Wilder fanboy channel's on YouTube have started saying he deserves 50-50 even though they don't believe he really does. They know it's rediculous but they just can't admit Wilder might be trying to avoid the fight.

He is in it for the money and nothing else. This guy had the opportunity to step up to AJ in April after the Klitschko fight and didn't do it, yet he says that he's fighting "for a legacy"

This is the same guy that wouldn't fight Dillian Whyte unless it was for 7 million dollars...when his own promoter won't put up 2 million for him to fight anyone.

Fact is that he is nowhere near as popular as AJ is from a world scale and he plus his fans need to realize that.

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I've said it before: Wilder is an amateur, who knows when he actually gets in the ring with a real champion in AJ, it will be the end of his BS career as he knows it. Therefore, his people are trying to negotiate a nice retirement check for him. Once AJ cracks that bum's jaw, his scarecrow ass will crumble into a hundred pieces. Everyone then will be gunning for Wilder & he'll become the stepping stone of the division until he retires.

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Who else on Showtime is doing that? And it’s about 800 and change more than the Fury Parker fight and Parker got offered 15 million.

And If Parker fought Wilder on Showtime next he would be lucky to make $1million, let alone 15million!

Imo, Wilder saying 50/50 or no fight amounts to the same thing as Hearn saying that, ideally, AJ vs Wilder should happen in 2019/2020.

If Wilder's US profile is growing. like you say, then why throw away all the extra income that could be generated if they waited a little longer?

I'm not saying I approve of marinating fights, just that, in this case, I can understand why both sides might want to do it.

[sotgoda]

This is the problem with most of you delusional AJ fans. Even when logic is provided, you just hold on to the one thing that you think matters. I'll explain one more time and if you cannot understand, then good luck.

Are fights only based on marketability or other factors? The answer is both. While marketability matters more, there are intrinsic factors that need to be considered to determine a split. Examples include location, length of reign, prestige of the opponent, potential commercial value, objective of the fight, etc. So, while marketability is the most prevalent factor, it is not the only factor.

To buttress the above point, let's see some questions:
1. Would AJ have given Wlad 50/50 if he was not a previous long reigning champ? No. (Length of reign)
2. Would AJ have given Charles Martin 5 - 7 million if he did not have a belt? No. (Objective of fight)
3. Would AJ have been able to fill up a stadium if the fight was held in the US? No.
4. Who was more marketable when Wlad and AJ fought? Most likely AJ
5. How much is typically paid for a mandatory? 25% usually if both sides cannot come to an agreement.

So, seeing #4 above, in spite of that, AJ gave Wlad 50/50 for a variety of reasons: he was the cream of the crop for a long time, was marketable in UK and Germany, was a nice scalp to have on his resume, etc. This is in spite of the fact that Wlad was 41+, no longer a champion having being embarrassed by Fury, was almost 18+ months out from his last fight, and he had no belt to offer AJ. If anything, Eddie lobbied the WBA to include Fury's old belt as part of the fight to become a 2-belt champion, and paid off Luis Ortiz who should have been the one fighting for the WBA belt.

Now, all I have provided above is the truth - which most of AJ's delusional fans don't want to accept. However, starting out at #5 above, a mandatory gets paid 25% irrespective of whether or not they are marketable. So, common sense should dictate that that is the baseline any fighter should be offered without any other factors considered.

So, mandatory = 25%
Now, looking at location, if the fights happens in the UK, Joshua should get the larger share. I went as far as saying a 65/35% or 70/30%, maybe even 80/20%. Now, if the fight happens in the US, shouldn't Wilder then get more since he is the more popular fighter? Why shouldn't Wilder get a 60/40 or 65/35 then? Would you AJ fans be ok with that?

Further, the fight makes more in the US with less people because of the price per ticket and the PPV, but that is being conveniently ignored.
How about prestige of the fighters? Wilder is considered either #1 or #2. Should that not count for some %?
How about how long they have reigned? Wilder is the longest current reigning champ.
How about the objective of the fight? Unification - should that not count for some %.

Now, whether that shifts the % from a minimum of 25% to 50% is the job of the promoters, but I have seen pathetic AJ fans saying 80/20 or 90/10 is fine. What then is fair? In summary, the promoters can do a regional split or a summary split. If regional, then the fighter who sells more should make more. If summary split, then I don't see any reason why Wilder should take less than 45% (worst case 40%) to fight AJ.

Both fighters could also go old-school style: 40/40 winner takes remaining 20% irrespective of location.

[BlakBread904]

the longer the post, the more bull crap being spouted.

[sotgoda]

the longer the post, the more bull crap being spouted.

Know reading is a difficulty for you. Thanks for reminding us.

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And If Parker fought Wilder on Showtime next he would be lucky to make $1million, let alone 15million!

Imo, Wilder saying 50/50 or no fight amounts to the same thing as Hearn saying that, ideally, AJ vs Wilder should happen in 2019/2020.

If Wilder's US profile is growing. like you say, then why throw away all the extra income that could be generated if they waited a little longer?

I'm not saying I approve of marinating fights, just that, in this case, I can understand why both sides might want to do it.

I agree with you. Nothing wrong with letting the fight simmer a little bit. It’s just the Joshua fanboys acting like Wilder is unworthy is what urks me. We’re all on this site everyday and we all know the business. Joshua fanboys don’t get to play ******ed when it suits them.

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Joshua is offering Parker 15 million and his fans are up here bytching about money. Smh, smh. A man who’s last fight had 3000 in the seats and 6000 stream on YouTube. You damn right Wilder demanded 50/50. Now I’m not saying he should get it now but it really doesn’t matter now does it? Joshua isn’t fighting him next meanwhile Wilders profile is growing day by day. By the time the fight happens Wilders cut will be closer to 50% because the demand for this fight will warrant it. He put up monster numbers against an unknown like Stiverne, just wait until he puts Ortiz in a coma. That fights gonna do huge numbers for Showtime.

Growing? Why, because he beat fat, old, has-been who-never-was Stiverne?? Wilder thanked The Lord when Povetkin and Ortiz failed their drug tests. He's not calling out anyone other than AJ at this point.

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Growing? Why, because he beat fat, old, has-been who-never-was Stiverne?? Wilder thanked The Lord when Povetkin and Ortiz failed their drug tests. He's not calling out anyone other than AJ at this point.

I forgot it’s Wilder’s fault those guys can’t pass a drug test.