Comments Thread For: Cotto is Outraged By The Comments From Trinidad Sr.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

where did I say that arum signed cotto because of tito or used the words paved the way? I didn't. My original post merely stated that tito was the first fighter from PR to become a ppv star (which king does deserve credit for) and said that his successful crowds at msg is in part what caused arum to take notice. Arum was then able to take it to another level with cotto because he made cotto a staple there. Not sure how that's diminishing cotto. If we were referring to Chavez success drawing crowds and selling ppvs in the 80s and 90s and saying how that helped to market Mexican fighters later on such as barrera, morales, and now canelo, would that be wrong? That seems to be coming knowledge and I'm sure those fighters would agree. Promoters use trial and error, they see what works and where it works and handle business. No secret there. And btw, there's an article from a few yrs back where arum said one of his biggest regrets was not signing Trinidad. He had the chance to and said he wasn't interested. Then saw how big tito became and said he felt he could've done a better job. He made sure not to miss that opportunity with cotto. I can send you the link if you know how to read Spanish.

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Not sure what the beef is. Tito isn't the first PR champion that became a big name but he is the first that became a big enough name to head his own PPVs as the A side. And in part, his success at msg and as a ppv star is what caused top rank to take it to the next level with cotto. These are facts, not opinions.

Trinidad's father said Tito paved the way, by saying "not sure what the beef is" you agreed with that sentiment.

Arum didn't sign Cotto knowing he would be the biggest Puerto Rican star, you act as if Arum knew Cotto would bring in a huge PPV draw. You blatantly ignore that fact that 100's of Puerto Rican fighters have turned pro since Trinidad, some even signed by Arum, and none have become a star like Cotto. Again explain to me why Arum hasn't gone out his way to sign every Puerto Rican fighter, in an attempt to make them a star? Cotto became a star because of the people he fought, and how he fought them. There's an article just posted on here where Nacho Beristine talks about the Mexican following that Cotto has, do we attribute that success to Trinidad to?

There is a significant deference between using the knowledge of how to market someone, and saying that someone paved the way. You can't say burger king is successful because of McDonalds. You can't say Cotto is successful because of Trinidad. Cotto garnered his own following, which crossed over to areas Tito never touched. Arum saw the value in Cotto's market and set him up for PPv's, but that value was established by Cotto's performances, not Trinidad's success. I would also argue that Trinidad had very little to do with Arum's plans for Cotto, as Arum already had a few major stars, including De La Hoya, and Arum took Cotto on that same track. Arum was already well versed in the art of creating a star before Trinidad, which is intimated in the fact that he said he would have done better had he signed Trinidad. That comment is more a testament to himself and Top Rank than it is to Trinidad, in fact it's implying that Trinidad wasn't marketed well. You're trying to use it to say that Arum didn't know there was a Puerto Rican market, I believe Arum didn't think Trinidad was worth the time or money to build him in to a star, two different things.

[rrayvez]

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Trinidad's father said Tito paved the way, by saying "not sure what the beef is" you agreed with that sentiment.

Arum didn't sign Cotto knowing he would be the biggest Puerto Rican star, you act as if Arum knew Cotto would bring in a huge PPV draw. You blatantly ignore that fact that 100's of Puerto Rican fighters have turned pro since Trinidad, some even signed by Arum, and none have become a star like Cotto. Again explain to me why Arum hasn't gone out his way to sign every Puerto Rican fighter, in an attempt to make them a star? Cotto became a star because of the people he fought, and how he fought them. There's an article just posted on here where Nacho Beristine talks about the Mexican following that Cotto has, do we attribute that success to Trinidad to?

There is a significant deference between using the knowledge of how to market someone, and saying that someone paved the way. You can't say burger king is successful because of McDonalds. You can't say Cotto is successful because of Trinidad. Cotto garnered his own following, which crossed over to areas Tito never touched. Arum saw the value in Cotto's market and set him up for PPv's, but that value was established by Cotto's performances, not Trinidad's success. I would also argue that Trinidad had very little to do with Arum's plans for Cotto, as Arum already had a few major stars, including De La Hoya, and Arum took Cotto on that same track. Arum was already well versed in the art of creating a star before Trinidad, which is intimated in the fact that he said he would have done better had he signed Trinidad. That comment is more a testament to himself and Top Rank than it is to Trinidad, in fact it's implying that Trinidad wasn't marketed well. You're trying to use it to say that Arum didn't know there was a Puerto Rican market, I believe Arum didn't think Trinidad was worth the time or money to build him in to a star, two different things.

Well obviously we see things differently regarding whether tito played any sort of a role in how arum chose to promote cotto. I think tito's impact did influence arum. I mean pre Trinidad, do you recall arum promoting any Puerto Ricans consistently? Post tito he promoted cotto, shortly after that juanma, now verdejo, and I believe he recently signed jeyvier cintron. I personally don't think it's a coincidence.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Well obviously we see things differently regarding whether tito played any sort of a role in how arum chose to promote cotto. I think tito's impact did influence arum. I mean pre Trinidad, do you recall arum promoting any Puerto Ricans consistently? Post tito he promoted cotto, shortly after that juanma, now verdejo, and I believe he recently signed jeyvier cintron. I personally don't think it's a coincidence.

Yeah we can agree to disagree

[snoopy360]

Not for nothing but after Trinidad the whole boxing public had their eye on Puerto Rico to see who would be the new rising star from the island. Arum wouldn't have given Cotto a second glance if he didn't see that there was a marketable public frothing at the mouth for a new national hero. Cotto had a hall of fame career based off of his own merit and hard work but to refute that Cotto benefitted from the void that Tito's exit from the sport created isn't being very objective.

[Jkp]

He did look *****e v helinus but looked awkward fighter helinus you wont tell the level until hes faced another top fighter him v miller see were both are at cos neither looked good last time out

I disagree. Whytes fight vs chisora proved he is at exactly the same level as Chisora. Chisora just proved how bad he is by losing to a nobody last month. Whyte is rubbish, he has already proven this against several rubbish opponents.