Comments Thread For: Sergey Kovalev Crushes Shabranskyy in Two, Wins WBO Title

[Boxing Logic]

You truly have gone FULL ******,kkkovapuss couldn't even ko 50 yr old bhop yet joe Smith destroyed bhop 1 fight after & kod him out of the ring. & Then Smith got whooped & dropped by the same Barrera who Ward destroyed by 12 rd margin right after moving up when Barrera was still undefeated.

& Then you have audacity to claim shebranksies good just because hes latest soupcan assassin victim. supposedly fonfaras chinny not shebransky? Shabransky was kod in 7 rds by Barrera 2 fights ago.
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Learn boxing. Shabbransky was KO'd because of his defense, not his chin. He took 100 huge right hands from Barrera and went down on 3 or 4 of them. He didnt ride with shots at all, he got caught flush, and took most of them. Im not saying he's good, just that he's better than Fonfara.

What is wrong with you anyway? You know Kovalev offered Barrera this fight, right? So why are you b1tching? Shabbransky was the replacement opponent and even he is better than Fonfara. You know full well if Kovalev fought someone who had lost to Eberto Medina and been KO'd by Derrick Findley and Joe Smith, like Fonfara has, you would be calling Fonfara twice as big a bum as you're calling Shabbransky right now, so please stop with these double standards.

PS a 50 year old BHop would be the best opponent of Adonis Stevenson's career, so you have no room to talk ****. Wtf has Stevenson done? Beat Ward's leftovers Chad Dawson after he weight jumped and got KO'd in sparring, and hasn't fought a single live body since then. Kovalev just called out the entire division. If you want to talk, go tell Stevenson to answer the call for once, otherwise stop being a biased hater.

[Chrismart]

Shabranskyy only has one way of fighting but that's the wrong way to fight against Kovalev.

Only a short outing and hard to gauge but he looked good.
Now that ones out the way there's some good fights to be made at 175, and i imagine Kovalev will be part of them.

[GrandmasterWang]

Learn boxing. Shabbransky was KO'd because of his defense, not his chin. He took 100 huge right hands from Barrera and went down on 3 or 4 of them. He didnt ride with shots at all, he got caught flush, and took most of them. Im not saying he's good, just that he's better than Fonfara.

What is wrong with you anyway? You know Kovalev offered Barrera this fight, right? So why are you b1tching? Shabbransky was the replacement opponent and even he is better than Fonfara. You know full well if Kovalev fought someone who had lost to Eberto Medina and been KO'd by Derrick Findley and Joe Smith, like Fonfara has, you would be calling Fonfara twice as big a bum as you're calling Shabbransky right now, so please stop with these double standards.

PS a 50 year old BHop would be the best opponent of Adonis Stevenson's career, so you have no room to talk ****. Wtf has Stevenson done? Beat Ward's leftovers Chad Dawson after he weight jumped and got KO'd in sparring, and hasn't fought a single live body since then. Kovalev just called out the entire division. If you want to talk, go tell Stevenson to answer the call for once, otherwise stop being a biased hater.

Don't waste your time dealing with that fool, he knows very little and types like a child.

You have a YouTube video in your signature for boxing corruption. It says the video is unavailable.

[Bronx2245]

Kov looked good, which is what he's supposed to look like vs. Shabranskky! Hopefully we see him vs. Gvozdyk or Beterbiev next! My preference would be Beterbiev, but either one should be much better than what we saw last night!

[kushking]

Learn boxing. Shabbransky was KO'd because of his defense, not his chin. He took 100 huge right hands from Barrera and went down on 3 or 4 of them. He didnt ride with shots at all, he got caught flush, and took most of them. Im not saying he's good, just that he's better than Fonfara.

What is wrong with you anyway? You know Kovalev offered Barrera this fight, right? So why are you b1tching? Shabbransky was the replacement opponent and even he is better than Fonfara. You know full well if Kovalev fought someone who had lost to Eberto Medina and been KO'd by Derrick Findley and Joe Smith, like Fonfara has, you would be calling Fonfara twice as big a bum as you're calling Shabbransky right now, so please stop with these double standards.

PS a 50 year old BHop would be the best opponent of Adonis Stevenson's career, so you have no room to talk ****. Wtf has Stevenson done? Beat Ward's leftovers Chad Dawson after he weight jumped and got KO'd in sparring, and hasn't fought a single live body since then. Kovalev just called out the entire division. If you want to talk, go tell Stevenson to answer the call for once, otherwise stop being a biased hater.

So your response to everything I said as well as the proof I cited,basically equates to:

" kovalev fought a bum & almost got beat as bad as by Ward,so Ward is almost a bum too" & "stop hating on kov hes not as bad as fighters who beat his best win before him"

Pathetic!

And your lame excuse that Im just a "white hope hater Stevenson fan" doesn't work on me nor apply. I refer to stevenson as the Canadian pedo pimp ffs.

You claim fonfara that fought the pedopimp was a bigger bum than shabransky because he was kod by smith,well that smith has a better win than kovalev,who couldn't even finish off 50 yr old bhop despite knocking him down in the 1st rd. Smith knocked him out the ring, & smith was a beltholder & Fonfara was a beltholder....

Shabransky is a part time uber driver-bellhop moonlighting as a contender,& now since he was kod by Wards leftovers Barrera you suddenly rate Barrera, despite saying ward cherrypicked bums?.... Fonfara had way better experience than this bum shabransky with 1 name that kod him on his resume,& whos last fight was vs a fighter 10-0-1.

Shebransky will never be a even jr champion & was kod 2 bum fights ago(he faced 2 back to back bums before kovacuck kod him,those 2 bums had a combined record of 20-15,his last opponent was 10-0-1). Every single thing I listed as proof you just ******edly retort: "your just a hater,kovalev has excuses for all his shîtty fights" & " he was drinking & not training last 3 fights"

Theres a reason most wont even reply to your ******ity,as you constantly have proven your a complete that will always contradict your own ******ity with excuses regardless of what facts your faced with.

[kushking]

Don't waste your time dealing with that fool, he knows very little and types like a child.

You have a YouTube video in your signature for boxing corruption. It says the video is unavailable.

You dsab,theres a reason both you ******s are just ignored around here,u too cucks are known for typing 10 pages of hypocritically ****** nonsense. Dont ever try to step to me you dumb twat!:

[Boxing Logic]

Excellent observation, Bivol and Beterbiev have equal claim as champions with Kovalev fighting a lesser opponent than they had too for a world title, but this wont last for long with Marcus Browne in 2018.

Oh and FYI, for people such as yourself who think Browne is the next true champ of 175, and for all the people complaining about Shabbransky as an opponent, you should know Marcus Browne was literally offered this fight before Shabbransky, and Browne turned it down.

Oh and so did Badou Jack.

And Sullivan Barrera.

So it's amazing to me that this pattern keeps repeating, the same one that's gone on within the boxing community for the last decade dating back to Pacquiao-Mayweather, where fans such as yourself will always claim that the reigning non-black champion in any division is an overrated hypejob, and that the best black fighter in the division is the real champion, even though said black fighter refuses to fight the reigning non-black champion in the division and blatantly ducks him.

This keeps happening over and over and over again, and yet every single time, a large number of black American boxing fans take the ducker's side, and make excuses for him. "He's not ducking, the money just wasn't good." And yet Kovalev had to take way less money than Ward in their fights even though he was the champion, Pacquiao had to take less vs Floyd, and GGG had to take way less vs Canelo, so what is the deal? Don't you guys understand by now, THAT is the modern way of ducking? No one is ever going to admit, "yeah I'm scared to fight that guy. I don't think I can win." So they will always say it's the money, or something else.

But time and time again this keeps happening, and yet time and time again you guys defend the duckers, and root for the duckers, and claim the duckers are secretly better than the non-black champion even though the non-black champion is eager to fight them, and they are the ones who repeatedly turn it down until the non-black champion reaches his mid-thirties and declines, and then sometimes they finally fight him, scrap and claw with the help of the ref to make it close enough for them to win by robbery or "controversial decision," and then you guys say "see I told you all along the non-black champion was a total hypejob, my guy just exposed him, great white hype, took his soul, broke him mentally, etc etc etc," even though they never even fought the guy when he was good, they waited until he had declined, which means the victory is meaningless, and yet the group of "fans" who repeatedly do this pretend that having a competitive fight with the guy when he's 33 - 38 years old is the same thing as dominating him when he's 28 (it isn't, obviously).

It keeps happening over and over. I don't understand it. Can someone please explain to me, why is it that such a large number of black American boxing fans love duckers? Everyone else I know acknowledges duckers are ruining the sport, and duckers get no respect from anyone else. And they understand, there must be a reason they are ducking the guy, they aren't as good. Everyone else criticizes duckers so much, they would be run out of the sport, except for the fact they have a large number of people from one certain group who they can always count on to come to their defense, and excuse their ducking, and make sure ducking remains a huge part of the sport in 2017 and beyond.

Why is that? Why do you love duckers so much? They ruin the sport. Everyone else likes boxers who take on the biggest challenges, and want to prove they are the best, but for some reason, a large number of "LDBC" fans just love duckers. Whenever a ducker pops up in any division, you can count on them to hype up that fighter. Floyd. Stevenson. Browne. Tank Davis. Rigo when he turned down the Loma fight two years ago over "money" even though he got offered more than Gary Russell Jr did and over twice as much as Loma and Salido each made to fight each other.

Hell, it seems like the only time this group of fans cares about ducking is when one of the top black boxers in the sport like Spence has his career held back because a lighter skinned boxer than him is out injured or wants a bunch of tuneups or whatever. Then y'all suddenly care, despite the fact Spence is young enough that he will still be in his prime whether Thurman fights him now or in two years. But when Andre Ward aged Kovalev an extra year at the crucial decline point (32) by demanding not one but two tuneups before fighting him, despite the fact he was not coming off an injury and had just gone 12 rounds nine months earlier, y'all backed him 100%.

But now that it's happening to Spence in a way that's not even as damaging to him because he's younger, y'all are up in arms. Not to mention that when the same exact **** has been ruining the careers and legacies of GGG, Kovalev, and Pacquiao for years, and been slowing down Lomachenko's career as well, y'all defend it and make it excuses and hype up all the boxers ducking them (like Tank, Stevenson) instead of supporting the ones who are actually interested in giving you good fights and determining who the best is.

The people who do this are ruining the sport. Supporting only boxers the same skin color of you is already questionable, but if the best are fighting the best, it's one thing. That way if the black boxer legitimately beats the top guy in his division, you can root for that outcome if you can't help it, and fairly state that he's the best afterwards. But it's another thing to be so biased that you root for every black boxer even if they refuse to fight the best, and if you defend them, and support them even when they duck the best, and make excuses for them to avoid the biggest challenges, which encourages them to keep ducking, while at the same time proclaiming their greatness despite the fact they are unwilling to fight top prime opponents. Y'all are like women who not only have sex on the first date, but do it with the most unattractive, boring, ******, cruel, useless guys on the planet. Y'all are willing to give away everything in terms of support and hype for black boxers while requiring absolutely nothing of them in return, and so they are content to give nothing. Why risk fighting the best in order to gain credit and fans when so many black boxing fans will become your fan and credit you as the best in your division without you needing to fight anyone but bums?

I hope anyone who is still doing that looks in the mirror, and realizes that if they actually like boxing, and want the sport to stop plummeting in ratings every year, they need to stop doing that. And more than that, if you are actually a fan of the sport who enjoys seeing great fights between prime fighters, you really need to stop that.

[siablo14]

How are you guys this dumb? They literally said five separate times on the TV that Kovalev was drinking, smoking, partying, (also they didnt mention what he's said in other videos, that he was eating sugar etc etc), not training between fights, etc etc, for not only the Ward fights, but the Chilemba fight where he looked like **** too.

I understand Ward's resume is completely overrated, and with only 30 or so fights in his entire pro career, that you guys need to exaggerate certain wins in order to pretend he has a good legacy in the sport. However, I'm sorry to tell you that not only did Ward not legitimately beat Kovalev, but that he fought Kovalev during the only 3-fight streak in his entire career so far where he was not at his best, and that has been well documented. Even Ward's trainer admitted it! Why do you think Ward stayed retired for years until they heard Kovalev was deteriorating from their spies in his camp, and then chose to come back and fight Kovalev only, but not Stevenson or Beterbiev, and then retire? Ward's team is just as careful (scared) as Floyd's. That's what they do. They pick out styles, and most importantly the right times, to fight B-level opponents with A-level reputations so that they can get all the acclaim and money without the risk. Kovalev had an A-level reputation, but they waited until he developed drinking problems, smoking problems, etc, so that when they fought him, they would really be fighting a B-level guy, someone with only four rounds of stamina in the gas tank, without their dumb biased fans being any the wiser.

And for the record, the one thing tonight did not show us is if Kovalev's stamina has improved. He looked sharper, yes, but it's always hard to tell whether that's the result of a sitting target or not in fights like these. He showed a snappy left jab to the body that we didnt see at all when he was having weight problems and all the other problems that have been documented.

He looked a little faster early tonight, which bodes well for his stamina. But we still don't know for sure, because guess what, he looked pretty sharp vs Ward early in both fights too, despite all the issues outside the ring.

It was the poor gas tank that was responsible for Ward even being competitive in either fight. Kovalev even when he wasn't at his best the last three fights was still the most dominant first-three-rounds boxer in the sport, and he showed that again tonight. His jab early in fights in the best in the sport. Part of this is GGG's rapid aging, but he made GGG's jab look like an amateur's tonight. Kovalev didn't even have to sn@p it back all the way to sn@p it out and sn@p (why is boxingscene censoring the word sn A p?) Shabbransky's head back. Even half jabs, which have the benefit of being twice as fast, were snapping Shabbransky's head back. Kovalev's jab is faster than his right hand, it's the one punch he actually has elite speed with (everything else is "good" not great speed except the left hook, which is average), and it's the heaviest in the sport P4P. Also very accurate. All it missed in the past was a snappy version to the body, but being in better shape combined with a new trainer allowed him to show one tonight, so now there's almost no contest.

The only hesitation to crown his jab the best one (before gassing) is that there are guys who are better at jabbing when going backward and moving laterally. But, that's not Kovalev's style, and their styles are not Kovalev's. So it's apples and oranges, but in terms of an offensive jab, Kovalev's is the best in sport.

Early in fights. When he has legs. When his arms aren't weary. We still have to see what his stamina looks like, but even if his stamina is great in his next fight, that doesn't mean Ward fought that guy. Because we saw Kovalev gas vs Chilemba, too, so unless you think Chilemba did the same thing to Kovalev as Ward did, then your narrative doesn't make sense. What it would actually mean if Kovalev demonstrates great stamina in the future is that the changes to his lifestyle have made him great again. It would not mean that Ward fought the great fighter, nor Chilemba.

So don't get confused, it's really pretty simple, as they explained on the telecast. Maybe you watched it in a bar though and didnt hear the sound? I can understand not wanting to hear the commentary, given the huge bias of the HBO team to Ward, but they did explain this very clearly, so there are some benefits to watching with commentary as well, though much less than there used to be when they didn't shill for guys as much.

Red - Excuses. You believe that ****? You are quite simple. We could believe that for the first fight but for the second one when Kov was angry that he got robbed, Kov would have came serious. Those are just excuses to not fully admit that Ward whipped him.

Kovalev is an HBO fighter. They will be bias towards him. Don't let them give you excuses for not only one loss but two. I guess you gotta find a way to ignore those two losses.

[Bda31175]

I'll rewatch the Chilemba fight but it's a tall order to ask boxing fans to diminish Ward's wins over Kovalev because Kovavlev was out to liquid lunches for 3 straight fighting camps. Was Ward supposed to wait until Kovalev cleaned his act up before making the fight so he could claim he beat an A list fighter. Low blows and Tony Weeks' questionable calls are better fodder for dis*****g Ward's win (s) but Kovalev has no one to blame but himself for his bad habits. And, from my view, this walk through of #10 Shabransky doesn't prove anything. Kovalev's power and killer instinct in the early rounds has never been disputed but let's see if his revitalized training commitment takes him beyond round 4 convincingly against a game opponent.

[Boxing Logic]

You claim fonfara that fought the pedopimp was a bigger bum than shabransky because he was kod by smith,well that smith has a better win than kovalev,who couldn't even finish off 50 yr old bhop despite knocking him down in the 1st rd.

I see idiots like you constantly trying to discredit Lomachenko's win over Walters because Walters came off an 11 month layoff still in his prime, but now suddenly you want us to ignore the fact that a 50 year old came off a two year layoff to fight Smith when comparing Kovalev's performance to Smith's. When Kovalev beat Hopkins he was a 49 years old unified light heavyweight champion of the world who had rarely ever been beat up in his career. When Joe Smith beat him, he was 51 years old coming off a two year layoff and the worst beating of his career.

Your standards change like the wind. That's what makes you biased. You should look up the "double standard/no standard" logical fallacy, it would fix a lot of your posts and contradictory thinking.

And you offered zero counter argument to my point about Ward. Kovalev is the best """win""" of Ward's career, so if Kovalev is an overrated hype job, that makes Ward's resumé overrated ****, right? Answer the question. If the best """win""" of a boxer's career is against an overrated hype job, then that boxer has a ****ty overrated resumé. Simple as that. Either acknowledge the logical conclusion to your own thoughts, or stop pretending to be objective.