Comments Thread For: Sergey Kovalev Crushes Shabranskyy in Two, Wins WBO Title

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The KRUSHER IS BACK!!

...and he's ready to bring all the belts back home!!! ,давай Сергей Крашер!!!

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Andre Ward is fighter of the year. Kovalev is the same. Ward beat the best version of Kovalev twice. Bring on Kovalev vs Adonis.

How are you guys this dumb? They literally said five separate times on the TV that Kovalev was drinking, smoking, partying, (also they didnt mention what he's said in other videos, that he was eating sugar etc etc), not training between fights, etc etc, for not only the Ward fights, but the Chilemba fight where he looked like **** too.

I understand Ward's resume is completely overrated, and with only 30 or so fights in his entire pro career, that you guys need to exaggerate certain wins in order to pretend he has a good legacy in the sport. However, I'm sorry to tell you that not only did Ward not legitimately beat Kovalev, but that he fought Kovalev during the only 3-fight streak in his entire career so far where he was not at his best, and that has been well documented. Even Ward's trainer admitted it! Why do you think Ward stayed retired for years until they heard Kovalev was deteriorating from their spies in his camp, and then chose to come back and fight Kovalev only, but not Stevenson or Beterbiev, and then retire? Ward's team is just as careful (scared) as Floyd's. That's what they do. They pick out styles, and most importantly the right times, to fight B-level opponents with A-level reputations so that they can get all the acclaim and money without the risk. Kovalev had an A-level reputation, but they waited until he developed drinking problems, smoking problems, etc, so that when they fought him, they would really be fighting a B-level guy, someone with only four rounds of stamina in the gas tank, without their dumb biased fans being any the wiser.

And for the record, the one thing tonight did not show us is if Kovalev's stamina has improved. He looked sharper, yes, but it's always hard to tell whether that's the result of a sitting target or not in fights like these. He showed a snappy left jab to the body that we didnt see at all when he was having weight problems and all the other problems that have been documented.

He looked a little faster early tonight, which bodes well for his stamina. But we still don't know for sure, because guess what, he looked pretty sharp vs Ward early in both fights too, despite all the issues outside the ring.

It was the poor gas tank that was responsible for Ward even being competitive in either fight. Kovalev even when he wasn't at his best the last three fights was still the most dominant first-three-rounds boxer in the sport, and he showed that again tonight. His jab early in fights in the best in the sport. Part of this is GGG's rapid aging, but he made GGG's jab look like an amateur's tonight. Kovalev didn't even have to sn@p it back all the way to sn@p it out and sn@p (why is boxingscene censoring the word sn A p?) Shabbransky's head back. Even half jabs, which have the benefit of being twice as fast, were snapping Shabbransky's head back. Kovalev's jab is faster than his right hand, it's the one punch he actually has elite speed with (everything else is "good" not great speed except the left hook, which is average), and it's the heaviest in the sport P4P. Also very accurate. All it missed in the past was a snappy version to the body, but being in better shape combined with a new trainer allowed him to show one tonight, so now there's almost no contest.

The only hesitation to crown his jab the best one (before gassing) is that there are guys who are better at jabbing when going backward and moving laterally. But, that's not Kovalev's style, and their styles are not Kovalev's. So it's apples and oranges, but in terms of an offensive jab, Kovalev's is the best in sport.

Early in fights. When he has legs. When his arms aren't weary. We still have to see what his stamina looks like, but even if his stamina is great in his next fight, that doesn't mean Ward fought that guy. Because we saw Kovalev gas vs Chilemba, too, so unless you think Chilemba did the same thing to Kovalev as Ward did, then your narrative doesn't make sense. What it would actually mean if Kovalev demonstrates great stamina in the future is that the changes to his lifestyle have made him great again. It would not mean that Ward fought the great fighter, nor Chilemba.

So don't get confused, it's really pretty simple, as they explained on the telecast. Maybe you watched it in a bar though and didnt hear the sound? I can understand not wanting to hear the commentary, given the huge bias of the HBO team to Ward, but they did explain this very clearly, so there are some benefits to watching with commentary as well, though much less than there used to be when they didn't shill for guys as much.

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Kovalev looked extremely good on his come back fight here. I'm just surprised nobody is saying anything about the majority of those right hands that wobbled or dropped shab landing either to Shab's ear or back head area. A few idiots were up in arms about Wilder hitting Stiverne in the back of the head before he got him out of there, but people seem to have a blind eye with kovalev does the same thing. Funny how that works. Anyways, bring on Adonis, Beter, Divol, barrera for the Krusher. I think he beats them all convincingly as well.

I literally haven't seen a single person besides Stiverne say Wilder hit him behind the head.

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Good W for Kov. 2 back to back defeats by an ATG, thought he would doubt himself, but he beat this dude like he stole something.

Do you just regurgitate everything Max Kellerman says? Besides losing to a faded untrained drinking smoking unfocused Kovalev in the 1st fight, and getting another gift in the 2nd where he was losing by 3 points on 1 card at the time of the "stoppage," and beating a bunch of slow and old, or just slow, smaller guys at 168, what exactly makes Ward an ATG? You fanboys are ridiculous. Ward has what, 30 fights, and you think he's an ATG? And since we know the first 20 or so of most careers are development fights against tomatoe cans, that means Ward's entire career is made of like 10 fights at the B-level and above, and only two of them came against an A-level name, except that name was out of shape and had all sorts of problems outside the ring, which Ward knew about from their spies in his camp and were the only reasons they even took the fight, and then they still (should have) lost to him the first fight, and as I said got a gift the second fight.

Even if you want to give Ward the second fight and say that was a legit win, that would still only be one win against a faded "top" opponent, and that is enough for you to say ATG? No wonder boxing sucks now if fans have zero standards and dont require any good legacy put together by these boxers before awarding them "ATG" accolades. If Lomachenko beats Rigo he will have accomplished more at the top level of the sport in 11 fights than Ward has his entire career, so if that happens let's see if you call Lomachenko an All Time Great, or if you're just a biased fanboy who only has eyes for overrated cheaters (and I can guess why).

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Look at this idiot, same old mistakes he made with S.O.G when Dre almost knocked him out with a straight right -- notice how he gives his opponent too many looks, waving all kinds of flags pausing overconfident in his weak feints ; some of it has to do with a lack of respect for his opponents power, a lot of it has to do with is eagerness to land that right hand.

Poor balance, poor defense , lack of head-movement, straight up and down fighter, this guy is food for Marcus Brown and Badou Jack, and is getting KO by Adonis Stevenson if he ever mans up, but you know the WBO did him a favor handing him a belt so he can negotiate a little better now that hes a 'Champion' pfft ; I mean really he should be asking Bivol and Beterbiev for a title shot instead.

I'm just keeping it real -- HBO helped Kovalev stay away from 'Superman' and the other contenders, maybe he fights Gennady at a catch-weight or something.

I saw those too but the ****ing HBO camera man didnt pan with Kovalev when he got knocked back. And they never showed a replay of the feet. So yeah a jab hit him, but was he hurt, or did the feet get tangled? Shabbransky steps forward into that area and he either stepped on Kovalev's foot, or was within a few inches but didn't. It's impossible to tell from the camera angle they showed. If anyone finds a video of the fight with different camera angles from some other feed, would be much appreciated because I am also very curious if Kovalev got hurt by the jab or not. It was impressive he took that right hand though. I agree it was bad defense. He should work on that, but no fighter is perfect. Ward got caught against Barrera too who is just as slow as Shabbransky, and Ward was fighting way more defensive than Kovalev. It happens. But yes, amateur mistake. Kovalev's doesn't always keep great balance or defensive angles. It's not awful, but not great either. In between.

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Its comedy watching these kkkovachumps trying to make this bs win out to mean kovalev is something special. All he did was go right back to doing what he does best,FIGHTING BUMS.

Funny too that when canadian pimp stevenson kod a much better more experienced fighter in Fonfara in 2 rds,these kkkovachumps were crying bum squad,

yet now that kkkovalev kod this true bum nobody, they get on their knees & start putting on the lip balm :*******::bukkake:

Shabbransky would KTFO Fonfara, who took many rounds to beat Chavez Jr at 175, and who got KO'd by Joe Smith in 1 round. Shabbransky did better vs Barrera than Joe Smith, although Smith did suffer a broken jaw early which changed the trajectory of the fight. Fonfara is known for being chinny. Shabbransky is a huge puncher. Both are slow and have bad defense, but Shabbransky hits harder and has a better chin. Shabbransky would beat Fonfara easily.

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How are you guys this dumb? They literally said five separate times on the TV that Kovalev was drinking, smoking, partying, (also they didnt mention what he's said in other videos, that he was eating sugar etc etc), not training between fights, etc etc, for not only the Ward fights, but the Chilemba fight where he looked like **** too.

I understand Ward's resume is completely overrated, and with only 30 or so fights in his entire pro career, that you guys need to exaggerate certain wins in order to pretend he has a good legacy in the sport. However, I'm sorry to tell you that not only did Ward not legitimately beat Kovalev, but that he fought Kovalev during the only 3-fight streak in his entire career so far where he was not at his best, and that has been well documented. Even Ward's trainer admitted it! Why do you think Ward stayed retired for years until they heard Kovalev was deteriorating from their spies in his camp, and then chose to come back and fight Kovalev only, but not Stevenson or Beterbiev, and then retire? Ward's team is just as careful (scared) as Floyd's. That's what they do. They pick out styles, and most importantly the right times, to fight B-level opponents with A-level reputations so that they can get all the acclaim and money without the risk. Kovalev had an A-level reputation, but they waited until he developed drinking problems, smoking problems, etc, so that when they fought him, they would really be fighting a B-level guy, someone with only four rounds of stamina in the gas tank, without their dumb biased fans being any the wiser.

And for the record, the one thing tonight did not show us is if Kovalev's stamina has improved. He looked sharper, yes, but it's always hard to tell whether that's the result of a sitting target or not in fights like these. He showed a snappy left jab to the body that we didnt see at all when he was having weight problems and all the other problems that have been documented.

He looked a little faster early tonight, which bodes well for his stamina. But we still don't know for sure, because guess what, he looked pretty sharp vs Ward early in both fights too, despite all the issues outside the ring.

It was the poor gas tank that was responsible for Ward even being competitive in either fight. Kovalev even when he wasn't at his best the last three fights was still the most dominant first-three-rounds boxer in the sport, and he showed that again tonight. His jab early in fights in the best in the sport. Part of this is GGG's rapid aging, but he made GGG's jab look like an amateur's tonight. Kovalev didn't even have to sn@p it back all the way to sn@p it out and sn@p (why is boxingscene censoring the word sn A p?) Shabbransky's head back. Even half jabs, which have the benefit of being twice as fast, were snapping Shabbransky's head back. Kovalev's jab is faster than his right hand, it's the one punch he actually has elite speed with (everything else is "good" not great speed except the left hook, which is average), and it's the heaviest in the sport P4P. Also very accurate. All it missed in the past was a snappy version to the body, but being in better shape combined with a new trainer allowed him to show one tonight, so now there's almost no contest.

The only hesitation to crown his jab the best one (before gassing) is that there are guys who are better at jabbing when going backward and moving laterally. But, that's not Kovalev's style, and their styles are not Kovalev's. So it's apples and oranges, but in terms of an offensive jab, Kovalev's is the best in sport.

Early in fights. When he has legs. When his arms aren't weary. We still have to see what his stamina looks like, but even if his stamina is great in his next fight, that doesn't mean Ward fought that guy. Because we saw Kovalev gas vs Chilemba, too, so unless you think Chilemba did the same thing to Kovalev as Ward did, then your narrative doesn't make sense. What it would actually mean if Kovalev demonstrates great stamina in the future is that the changes to his lifestyle have made him great again. It would not mean that Ward fought the great fighter, nor Chilemba.

So don't get confused, it's really pretty simple, as they explained on the telecast. Maybe you watched it in a bar though and didnt hear the sound? I can understand not wanting to hear the commentary, given the huge bias of the HBO team to Ward, but they did explain this very clearly, so there are some benefits to watching with commentary as well, though much less than there used to be when they didn't shill for guys as much.

What DSAB you truly are.So now kkkovagimp has come up with new excuses so we should just discount him getting his ass ****d twice in front of everyone because he has a new excuse. This being the same quitter coward you claim didn't lose?

Then why make excuses if he won? So I get it the 1st 3 times he stepped up from his entire career of fighting bums & got his ass beat we're supposed to not count that,instead we're supposed to only count the bum fights or 50 yr old bhop he looked good in because he was facing complete BUMS?

He couldn't even ko 50 yr old bhop he kd in the 1st rd ffs. Sergáy kkkovagimp is a complete hypejob bîtch whos resume is full of bums & old men. This soupcan assassin klincher couldn't even beat the 1 guy hes faced who wasn't washed up,who he claimed was scared of getting kod & who moved up in weight.

When will kkkovacoward move up in weight? Oh right just like ggg hed rather fight bums/50 yr olds/& fighters moving up while claiming he was robbed in the 1st test his old ass ever faced.

Ward obliterated undefeated Barrera who beat the same Joe Smith that KOD kkkovapussîes best win bhop.

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Excellent observation, Bivol and Beterbiev have equal claim as champions with Kovalev fighting a lesser opponent than they had too for a world title, but this wont last for long with Marcus Browne in 2018.

Marcus Browne is the new black guy you're picking to overrate? Seriously? Next to him Andre Ward and even Badou Jack actually DO look like the ATGs some of y'all like to pretend they are. Browne already lost to someone whose name I forgot but got the robbery decision over him. He couldnt KO him either and went all 12 rounds, someone Kovalev would have stopped early. Browne would get blown out by Kovalev, Bivol, Beterbiev, all of them. Jack would probably beat him too.

Also, Chilemba was not past it vs Kovalev. He was peaking and on a roll. He even looked good vs Gvozdyk afterwards until he hurt his hand. Stop making **** up.

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Shabbransky would KTFO Fonfara, who took many rounds to beat Chavez Jr at 175, and who got KO'd by Joe Smith in 1 round. Shabbransky did better vs Barrera than Joe Smith, although Smith did suffer a broken jaw early which changed the trajectory of the fight. Fonfara is known for being chinny. Shabbransky is a huge puncher. Both are slow and have bad defense, but Shabbransky hits harder and has a better chin. Shabbransky would beat Fonfara easily.

You truly have gone FULL ******,kkkovapuss couldn't even ko 50 yr old bhop yet joe Smith destroyed bhop 1 fight after & kod him out of the ring. & Then Smith got whooped & dropped by the same Barrera who Ward destroyed by 12 rd margin right after moving up when Barrera was still undefeated.

& Then you have audacity to claim shebranksies good just because hes latest soupcan assassin victim. supposedly fonfaras chinny not shebransky? Shabransky was kod in 7 rds by Barrera 2 fights ago.
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Then why make excuses if he won? So I get it the 1st 3 times he stepped up from his entire career of fighting bums & got his ass beat we're supposed to not count that

Except going into the Chilemba fight, Chilemba was also called a bum, and yet he did almost as well as Ward did in the first Kovalev-Ward fight. That tells you it wasn't that Ward was so great when eh fought Kovalev, it was that Kovalev was already in huge decline. And we saw that when he gassed very early vs Chilemba. Kovalev was in a rock-em sock-em fight with Jean Pascal (I) that lasted 7 or 8 rounds and he showed very little fatigue, but against Chilemba and Ward, Kovalev tired after 3 rounds before either of them even got going.

So if you want to say Kovalev has always had an awful gas tank and been a 3 round fighter, but we never saw it until he stepped up to fight Ward, that's fine, you can say that, but all that means is that Kovalev is overrated as ****, and so are Ward's """wins""" against him. I choose to look at it differently. Was Kovalev an overrated 3 round fighter when he fought Ward and Chilemba? Yes, and that 3 round fighter still beat Ward IMO, which shows how overrated Ward is. But do I think Kovalev was always a 3 round fighter? No. He did show a little fatigue late in the Hopkins fight, which is concerning because Hopkins did very little that fight, but that was late. When Chilemba and Ward did just as little as Hopkins early in their fights, Kovalev fatigued much earlier, showing that he had declined significantly at least for those fights.

Also, Kovalev is 34. Science has shown reaction times go down once you hit 30. And for punchers, those miliseconds mean everything because the difference between them being able to land their hard punches, vs them either missing by half an inch every time, or having to shorten up their punches like GGG had to vs Canelo to the point they are no longer hurtful shots, is the difference between them being elite, and them getting outboxed by less powerful but faster opponents with prime reflexes. The moment a puncher cannot land his power shots cleanly anymore, that's the moment they go from great to average, and age is key in that.

We still need to see if Kovalev has regained his reaction time. I do think he looked better tonight in some ways, but at 34, even a clean lifestyle is not going to fix the reaction time you lose with age. And we didnt even get to see how his stamina was in this fight.

So it is what it is. You can say he was overrated if you want. If I was grading him like a sports video game, I would say in Kovalev's prime, he had 82/100 speed, 97/100 power, 81/100 skills, 97/100 jab, and 68/100 stamina, and 74/100 defense. The stamina was serviceable enough to let the dominant attributes in almost every other category dominate fights for him, and opponents were so scared to punch against him because of his power and accuracy and jab that he didnt even need to use his defense that much. But the Kovalev that fought Ward I believe had 78/100 speed, 91/100 power (because of loss of speed), 83/100 skills (those got better with experience), and 28/100 stamina. His stamina dropped 40 points.

Now, it's too early to tell, but I dont think his speed is prime anymore. 80/100 now instead of 82/100, which again, the mililseconds make a huge difference. But better now than before he changed his bad habits. But because of the increase in speed back to somewhere in between his prime and when he fought Ward and Chilemba, the power is back up to 94/100, although it took a few extra shots for him to put Shabbransky away than it would have in his prime with 97/100 power.

The stamina is the big question. It used to be 68/100, then it dropped to 30/100 with either age or bad habits outside the ring. The question is, what is it now? If he can get it back to 60 or above, he would beat Ward easily in a rematch, and have a good chance against Beterbiev, Bivol, Stevenson, and everyone else. If it's still below 50, well, he beat Ward the first fight when it was at 30/100, so that should still be good enough to beat Son of Overrated, but could get him in a ton of trouble late against Beterbiev and Bivol because those guys can punch.

That's how I see it. But if you think Kovalev has always been an overrated hype job, fine, but what does it say about Ward then that Kovalev is his best """win"""? That would make them both overrated but I bet you're not as comfortable having that conversation are you?