Name the fighters who gave someone not even 1/10 of the draw they are 35%+

[kafkod]

To even mention Takam just kills your argument. Parker is a name. Not a big one, but anyone who even causally follows HW boxing knows Parker is the #3 guy. No one knew Takam. You could have substituted him with any other no-name and the draw would have been the same. Parker adds interest that the Takams and others do not.

From a business perspective, you pay a little extra for a premium item because your profits are going to be greater. People who want to say; Parker made $X in his last and Joshua made $Y so the payday should be $Z simply don't understand how this kind of business works.

I haven't managed boxers but I have managed musical acts and I see what Hearn does clear as day. He's a complete shyster, just like Arum and DLH. He also likes fans to be his social media puppets and manipulates them to his favor.

You obviously didn't read my argument if thats what you think. You are complicating the issue, at the end of the day I reiterate my original point, the fight doesn't do enough business to justify that kind of pay rise for Parker, its not only that Parker is a $1 million fighter and Joshua is a $15 million fighter, its the combination of those two things.

You obviously have a little bit of problem with Hearn, and Joshua so I doubt your ability to be impartial here but...

Joseph Parker is completely unknown in the UK, in fact I would say Wilder is as well. These guys are not on the radar of casual boxing fans over here. But I can see as the fight builds and the promotion starts, it getting bigger, but the focus on the promotion will be based on Joshua chasing one the other belts, and 'unification' rather than 'Joshua vs Parker' two huge names like you had with Joshua vs Klitschko.

I don't think Hearn is what you think he is. I don't particularly care for any boxing promoter, but I do think they are a necessary evil because boxing training is extremely rigorous and time consuming.

He is pretty transparent, or as much as any promoter out there. He tries to do right by his fighters financially from what I can see. He is also accessible to fans, and puts himself in a position where he is answerable to fans, which no other promoter does.

How many promoters would you get going on a youtube boxing channel, which ended up him having a discussion with Shelley Finkel and Deontay Wilder live?

Synergy is a factor, but your comparison is farfetched.
Golovkin is way more popular than Parker and therefore was able to command a higher purse.
While its true that he bombed with his PPV (150k or 97k depending on which source you believe), he still was in a position to headline a PPV, had the highest rating on regular HBO and could draw a decent crowd. He also was recognised as the #1 guy at middleweight and held 3 of the 4 major belts.

Parker has none of that. He is seen as a decent threat, because he holds a belt and has beaten some ok/decent opponents (barely without looking dominant).

In terms of viability I would rate him around the same as Bradley in the first fight or Maidana after he beat Broner. Both guys were seen as decent threats to the cash cows and were relatively well known, but neither of those two could demand 35% of the pie or a 15 mio pound purse.

That synergy principle definitely applies to AJ/Parker. But to get the full picture of what's going on here, we need to also project it forward to a possible fight between AJ and Wilder next year. AJ vs Wilder, for the unified, undisputed world HW title, could be built into something really big, much bigger than AJ/Parker.

Eddie Hearn wanted more time to set it up, but Wilder's impatience has forced his hand. If Hearn wants to stage a 4 belt unification fight between AJ and Wilder next year, then AJ needs to fight Parker next, or the chance is gone. Parker knows this, which is why he's holding out for 35%, which, on the face of it, seems to be a lot more than he deserves.

[Redd Foxx]

But in your example you also did a comparison.
You compared Liam Smiths synergy power with that of Golovkin. And we both agree that Golovkins factor is much higher.

Smith < GGG
=> Oscar paid GGG well

How else should you evaluate how much synergy a fighter is responsible for without comparisons?


So I used your concept of synergy and applied it to Parker and GGG.
Parker < GGG
=> Parkers synergy factor is less than GGGs and should earn accordingly.

I could also do the same with Smith and an even lesser known fighter.
If Canelo picked a random guy like Ishe Smith instead of Liam Smith, he would pay Ishe Smith less than Liam.

Ishe Smith < Liam Smith.
=> Liam had more cloud with his WBO belt and undefeated status and could demand a higher purse.


Parker (well-meant) = around Bradley/Maidana/Mosley
=> should look at a percentage around these guys.

Swing and a miss. Just let it go because you're not making any traction in trying to manipulate my statement. Even Eddie Hearn would agree that synergy is a factor in making these fights. You guys are trying to flip common sense in it's head to justify the rest of what you're saying. The principle of my argument is valid, no matter if you think 35 is fair or not. You're trying to attack the wrong part of the argument.

[Redd Foxx]

That synergy principle definitely applies to AJ/Parker. But to get the full picture of what's going on here, we need to also project it forward to a possible fight between AJ and Wilder next year. AJ vs Wilder, for the unified, undisputed world HW title, could be built into something really big, much bigger than AJ/Parker.

Eddie Hearn wanted more time to set it up, but Wilder's impatience has forced his hand. If Hearn wants to stage a 4 belt unification fight between AJ and Wilder next year, then AJ needs to fight Parker next, or the chance is gone. Parker knows this, which is why he's holding out for 35%, which, on the face of it, seems to be a lot more than he deserves.

I read this after making my last post but I think ^this is a very reasonable argument. I don't expect everyone to agree on 35%, but we should at least be able to agree on the fundamentals and debate the finer points, not the fundamentals. I think kafkod gets the fundamentals here, and the reason behind Parker's argument.

[kafkod]

I read this after making my last post but I think ^this is a very reasonable argument. I don't expect everyone to agree on 35%, but we should at least be able to agree on the fundamentals and debate the finer points, not the fundamentals. I think kafkod gets the fundamentals here, and the reason behind Parker's argument.

Despite the noises he's been making, Eddie Hearn gets it too, which is why his offers are slowly edging closer to what Parker is asking for.

[asgarth]

Swing and a miss. Just let it go because you're not making any traction in trying to manipulate my statement.

That's not even an argument?

I dont want to manipulate your statement, Im just showing flaws in your logic. I agree with the synergy effect, never said anything different, but the only thing Im not agreeing with you is how much money he is entitled to.

So according to you, If I say Victor Ortiz was WBC champ, young and hungry, coming off an explosive performance against the mighty Berto and argue, that he deserved 30-35%, because of the synergy effect and the imminent pacquiao fight is especially forcing mayweathers hands. Will I by totally in the right without any concern of criticism? lol

Oh sry that I use a comparison again in my argument, apparently thats not allowed, better use your way of deflecting without using arguments.
Swing and a miss.

[b Murphington]

It's a unification bout. It's a big fight. Not as big as AJ vs Wilder, but it's the next big thing. The fight would sell better than if AJ were to fight some no name. AJ makes more money because of Parker and Parker makes more money because of AJ.

Parker is a belt holder, regardless of if he has a chance in this bout or how popular or well known he is. Holding that belt has to mean something. It obviously means something to AJ and Hearn. Otherwise, why would they entertain the idea of fighting Parker?

Give the man some money. Obviously not 50/50, but Jesus Christ some people hear act like the guy's getting away with armed robbery.

[Robbie Barrett]

Drawing power at Wembley with 5 quid tickets didn’t beat Lennox vs Tyson

Wlad was the A side

NSB users still have no concept of "synergy". You pay more for a desirable opponent because the two of you sell far more together than you do on your own. That's why Oscar paid Golovkin well, because guys like Smith don't bring in the buys. Golovkin may be a PPV bomb on his own, but pair him with a guy like Canelo, and it's one of the biggest fights of the year. Synergy.

Keep watching out for your hero's checkbook.Maybe some day he will send you a buck.Why DO YOU CARE ESP WHEN HE IS MAKIN 20 MIL PLUS NO MATTER WHAT.

LOL, you really are pathetic. Read Redd Foxx's comments.

Why, Joshua's gates are not even close to the top gates boxing has ever seen, and Joshua isn't the undisputed or lineal hvw champ lol.

It's a unification bout. It's a big fight. Not as big as AJ vs Wilder, but it's the next big thing. The fight would sell better than if AJ were to fight some no name. AJ makes more money because of Parker and Parker makes more money because of AJ.

Parker is a belt holder, regardless of if he has a chance in this bout or how popular or well known he is. Holding that belt has to mean something. It obviously means something to AJ and Hearn. Otherwise, why would they entertain the idea of fighting Parker?

Give the man some money. Obviously not 50/50, but Jesus Christ some people hear act like the guy's getting away with armed robbery.

and nobody has named one.




People are asking Joshua to do something that makes no sense, which is why it doesn't happen. People claiming he should are biased or have no common sense.

[Raggamuffin]

and nobody has named one.




People are asking Joshua to

Fight Parker or fight Wilder. That's what people are asking Joshua to do. Your dumbass question doesn't deserve a response because of how dumb the question is. You don't even understand what you even asked, lmao. I know why they don't want to give Parker 35%, you don't. Joshua's gates aren't that much that he can give Parker 35%.

I don't debate Gates, revenue and worth. That's not why I joined this boxing forum clown. I watch fights.

Joshua came out with a Youtube video talking about he didn't respect Fury going into Wlad's backyard and beating him. Hours later his fans started parroting the same ****.

You're a Hearn parrot clown. Whenever he says something you parrot it back and make it your belief. You don't understand boxing, revenue, the gate, and you have NEVER sat a table during negotiations for any fighter. Lol...

[N/A]

I'd love to hear it. Especially from those claiming Joshua should.

Be honest, is the #1 focus of your entire life advocating for the highest purses possible for Anthony Joshua?

[Robbie Barrett]

Fight Parker or fight Wilder. That's what people are asking Joshua to do. Your dumbass question doesn't deserve a response because of how dumb the question is. You don't even understand what you even asked, lmao. I know why they don't want to give Parker 35%, you don't. Joshua's gates aren't that much that he can give Parker 35%.

I don't debate Gates, revenue and worth. That's not why I joined this boxing forum clown. I watch fights.

Joshua came out with a Youtube video talking about he didn't respect Fury going into Wlad's backyard and beating him. Hours later his fans started parroting the same ****.

You're a Hearn parrot clown. Whenever he says something you parrot it back and make it your belief. You don't understand boxing, revenue, the gate, and you have NEVER sat a table during negotiations for any fighter. Lol...

You don't debate gates revenue etc because you can't make an argument. YOU KNOW that 35% or more is unreasonable. Clown.