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Forman fought for large portion of his career with that injured knee before Cotto. Forman won the lineal WBC title on that bum knee. He looked bad because when he fought Cotto, he ran more than he ever has and he was completely out classed. Cotto was the underdog against Martinez, Who both Canelo and Mayweather wouldn't fight even after his injuries. It only took one punch from Cotto, Martinez didn't even get a chance to use his legs. Geale was ranked #5 by Ring at middleweight when Cotto fought him, and he was considered GGG's best opponent at the time. Geale came in to the ring above 180 lbs. Kamgai was after Cotto was out for 2 years, and it was supposed to be a warm up to a career ending fight in December. Context is important.
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Cotto has fought larger opponents for so many years, that I'm not really too bothered by this fight. I am let down though. In his last couple of fights, Cotto has been in the best condition I have ever seen in his entire career. Roach had said before that Cotto could still make 147, and I would have loved to see him go back to that weight and challenge one or two of the current title holders.Comment
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Yes I can. I am a boxing fan. I want to see the best fight the best. Cotto didn't fight a legitimate high risk-low reward fight since Austin Trout. December 1st would make 5 full years since that fight. He's had one foot out the door ever since. Its been the slowest retirement tour since the Rolling Stones.Comment
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A couple points.
1. You can't give Cotto a pass for taking on Kamegai after 2 years off. He wasn't hurt. He choose to take 2 years off because Roc Nation had problems finding opponents worthy of lining up against him at the price he wanted. I think he had like a 10-15 million dollar a fight guarantee with them or something. (Roc Nation sucks at boxing promoting btw). Whatever the actual figure was finding a good enough opponent at a lower enough price point to make the fight viable economically was a pain in the arse.
2. On the other hand, Sergio Martinez missed a lot of time because he was hurt. He had at surgery on his knee after the Chavez Jr fight and another one after his fight with Martin Murray. And he didn't look good in the Murray fight as is. The guy was wearing knee braces during his fight with Cotto. You can see them when Martinez's is getting up from the second knock down. The sporting books may have made Cotto the underdog but people who knew boxing knew the fight depended upon how well Martinez' knee was. If you need braces for your knees during the fight then your knees aren't good. Maybe styles wise Cotto would have always been a bad matchup for Martinez. But I don't think we'd ever really know.
3. The Geale fight is what it is and what it is it an example of diva Cotto at his worse. During the run up to this fight he was talking all kinds of crap about how GGG hasn't fought enough A-list opposition to justify a fight. And he's saying that just before he fights someone GGG already stopped in 3 rounds.Comment
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Your first point makes no sense. Who cares why he was out of action for 2 years? Was he out of action? Yes. Is it ridiculous to expect him to fight a top opponent after 2 year off? Yes.
Your second point is out weighed by your own fact. No one knew what condition Martinez was in, and Cotto took the fight and trained as if he was fighting Martinez in his prime. A risk that neither Canelo nor Mayweather was wiling to take. What really happened was Martinez thought he had a quick cash grab against the 3rd highest grossing active fighter at the time, and it ended up being a cherry pick gone wrong.
Calling a man a diva because he is a shrewd negotiator, and makes sure that the money and benefits swing further in his direction reveals a bias on your part, which pretty much negates most of your points. It reveals a one-sidedness in your opinions. Geale wasn't forced to take the fight. He (like Martinez) thought he had an easy big pay day win against a smaller guy, took a fight that presented more reward than risk, and lost that bet. It doesn't change the Facts. Geale was ranked #5 middle weight by ring, Was Cotto's voluntary defense (which he had to fulfill), out weighed Cotto by more than 20 lbs, and Cotto knocked Geale out quicker than GGG did. Everyone also tends to forget that that fight was actually supposed to be against Canelo, but negotiations broke down because Cotto was killing GBP during negotiations, and Canelo didn't like that. Geale was the back up plan. But you know, Context.Comment
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No one said he needed to fight Lara first. But someone better than Kamagai. Cotto had tougher sparring sessions to prep for the Kamagai fight.
Nope. People who saw Martinez's previous fight against Murray saw how he looked coming back from surgery. He looked bad and some feel he got away with one there. He then had another surgery on his knee after that fight. It wasn't just a question of how well his knees looked. We had very good reason to believe they weren't good but held out hope that the time off made a difference.Your second point is out weighed by your own fact. No one knew what condition Martinez was in, and Cotto took the fight and trained as if he was fighting Martinez in his prime. A risk that neither Canelo nor Mayweather was wiling to take. What really happened was Martinez thought he had a quick cash grab against the 3rd highest grossing active fighter at the time, and it ended up being a cherry pick gone wrong.
As I said though, it might have always been a case of styles making fights. Maybe Cotto was always all wrong for Martinez. He certainly wasn't for a 39 year old Martinez in his 56th fight with a bad knee. I don't blame Cotto for the fight but lets not blow up his win over Martinez as if it were a big deal.
Calling a diva a diva isn't bias. Its the truth. Cotto wasn't negotiating with GGG. He was ducking him and making excuses for it. Canelo was acting like a diva but gets the benefit of the doubt for eventually taking the fight. Cotto doesn't.Calling a man a diva because he is a shrewd negotiator, and makes sure that the money and benefits swing further in his direction reveals a bias on your part, which pretty much negates most of your points. It reveals a one-sidedness in your opinions.
Be careful. Saying Cotto had to fulfill a VOLUNTARY DEFENSE reveals a one sidedness in your opinion.
Geale was ranked #5 middle weight by ring, Was Cotto's voluntary defense (which he had to fulfill),Comment
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