BS I not gonna go though your whole silly post but will say Canelo nor his trainer EVER SAID makin 152 was any prob.And I hate that Floyd (1 time) asked for catchweight because it gives all you haters a chance to make up bs excuses.When was the last time you seen somone make a catchweight JUST 2 pds under.I think Floyd was just showing who was boss in negotiate because if he really wanted advantage he could have made it 150 and GB AND CANELO would have jumped at that for the money.Canelo himself has never said makin 152 was a prob.This was not long after he moved up.As for the rest of your post I just don't have the time for all that BS.
Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s resume is outstanding.
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I'm a big fan of both. SRL came along in a better era so got to fight greater fighters than Floyd but ended up with a lot less fights due to his retirements. Floyd meanwhile didn't have a Hearns or Hagler type challenge (You could say Pacquiao I guess) but dominated 5 different weight classes and dominated lots of very good and great fighters over almost 20 years. Besides that both guys are actually pretty similar. Ray was a womanizer, so was Floyd. The only difference is that SRL picked the clean good guy image while Money Mayweather chose to play the villain.
Who's the greater fighter? Both are legendary but I gotta go with Floyd. More skilled and more intelligent in the ring. It would've been a tough fight because Ray was bigger but across the board Floyd is more skilled/smart/complete and had an unbelievably great IQ in the ring. He never would've fought Duran ******ly like Ray did in that first fight, and also gave immediate rematches to the guys who gave him close fights. Got a lot of love for Ray but the fact that he beat Hagler so controversially then retired to avoid the rematch then came back as soon as Hagler retired, to me that's a black mark on his legacy and I view Hagler as the greatest fighter of that era even though their fight was super-close and very debatable.Last edited by JK1700; 11-15-2017, 05:22 PM.Comment
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Because Pacquaio is a great fighter Canelo is not. Because Mayweather fought a green unproven Canelo at a B.S catchweight.How is Barrera a great win for him, yet you discredit all of Mayweathers wins Barrera did jack **** after that fight..AND YOU CANT JUST MAKE UP WINS MAN!! and why does Jmm get credit for being the older smaller man with Manny but Floyd was far older and smaller then Canelo while Canelo was a unified champ and you discredit that win?
Who cares what Barrera did after that fight? He had done plenty coming in including beating Morales for a second time, unifying two titles and had only lost to Pacquaio in 7 years and was on top form. It's difficult to beat Marquez and Pacquaio and then he moved up and fought on the road. Again, what relevency is what he did after tough losses to Marquez and Pacquaio? He dared himself he fought two greats in their primes and came up short.
Also, now you are denying Marquez KO'd Pacquaio? That's a great win over a great fighter. I didn't make that up it actually happened. It's funny now you are crying over Marquez wins over a guy you hate because of your need to defend a fighter (Mayweather) who you've probably never seen live nor cares about you.Last edited by chrisJS; 11-15-2017, 05:22 PM.Comment
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Cotto (who was a small 147 fighter) and team said could make 145 no problem. De La Hoya said could make 147 no problem yet Floyd fans discount those fights.BS I not gonna go though your whole silly post but will say Canelo nor his trainer EVER SAID makin 152 was any prob.And I hate that Floyd (1 time) asked for catchweight because it gives all you haters a chance to make up bs excuses.When was the last time you seen somone make a catchweight JUST 2 pds under.I think Floyd was just showing who was boss in negotiate because if he really wanted advantage he could have made it 150 and GB AND CANELO would have jumped at that for the money.Canelo himself has never said makin 152 was a prob.This was not long after he moved up.As for the rest of your post I just don't have the time for all that BS.
Can't have it both ways. In my view Canelo was affected way more than Cotto not as much as Oscar and I don't really consider Pac-Cotto a top win due to the catch weight).
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FAKE NEWS.Cotto was NO small 147pder.Matter a fact making 140 was so hard to make he could not take good punch at 140.Cotto was a nat 147 who by that time was not makin 147 easy.Again your going againt what Canelo and his OWN people said BEFORE and AFTER.And the fact that he could still make 154 4-5 years later says same thing.Just because you want it to be true don't mean it is.Cotto (who was a small 147 fighter) and team said could make 145 no problem. De La Hoya said could make 147 no problem yet Floyd fans discount those fights.
Can't have it both ways. In my view Canelo was affected way more than Cotto not as much as Oscar and I don't really consider Pac-Cotto a top win due to the catch weight).
Remember Canelo was 2 pounds over 154 for his next fight.Comment
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Mosley had only lost to Cotto in 6 years had just ko'd Margarito and was p4p #3 and Wba champ and lineal CHAMP yet you discredit that win for FloydBecause Pacquaio is a great fighter Canelo is not. Because Mayweather fought a green unproven Canelo at a B.S catchweight.
Who cares what Barrera did after that fight? He had done plenty coming in including beating Morales for a second time, unifying two titles and had only lost to Pacquaio in 7 years and was on top form. It's difficult to beat Marquez and Pacquaio and then he moved up and fought on the road. Again, what relevency is what he did after tough losses to Marquez and Pacquaio? He dared himself he fought two greats in their primes and came up short.
Also, now you are denying Marquez KO'd Pacquaio? That's a great win over a great fighter. I didn't make that up it actually happened. It's funny now you are crying over Marquez wins over a guy you hate because of your need to defend a fighter (Mayweather) who you've probably never seen live nor cares about you.Comment
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I agree with most of what you said but SSL never ducked rematch with Hagler.Ray loved to play games with his opp esp when he had it in his favor.But one thing that EVEN big SSL fans(which I am one of)and all you Floyd haters(which I'm NOT one of)have to admit is Floyd gave the ONLY 2 guys who even came close to beating him Immediate rematch.I think if you wanna call out SSL for ducking the Hearns rematch is a better example then Hagler(who I don't think he ducked).I'm a big fan of both. SRL came along in a better era so got to fight greater fighters than Floyd but ended up with a lot less fights due to his retirements. Floyd meanwhile didn't have a Hearns or Hagler type challenge (You could say Pacquiao I guess) but dominated 5 different weight classes and dominated lots of very good and great fighters over almost 20 years. Besides that both guys are actually pretty similar. Ray was a womanizer, so was Floyd. The only difference is that SRL picked the clean good guy image while Money Mayweather chose to play the villain.
Who's the greater fighter? Both are legendary but I gotta go with Floyd. More skilled and more intelligent in the ring. It would've been a tough fight because Ray was bigger but across the board Floyd is more skilled/smart/complete and had an unbelievably great IQ in the ring. He never would've fought Duran ******ly like Ray did in that first fight, and also gave immediate rematches to the guys who gave him close fights. Got a lot of love for Ray but the fact that he beat Hagler so controversially then retired to avoid the rematch then came back as soon as Hagler retired, to me that's a black mark on his legacy and I view Hagler as the greatest fighter of that era even though their fight was super-close and very debatable.Comment
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Between his second dominant loss to Wright and the Mayweather fight (which he was 16 months inactive for also) there had been 5 years and 5 months time elapsed which is not 6. Also 7 is a larger number than 6 according to facts and basic math. So obviously 7 is a larger number than 5 1/2 would you agree? This is the 2nd time a Floyd nuttrider has shown a lack of math and dates. One tried to convince me and a few others than 1984 happened before 1983 a few weeks back and that was regarding Duran-Hager-Hearns in an emotional defense of a fighter he's probably never paid to see live. The fanboys are a weird bunch.
Cotto is not as good as Pacquaio also. Not even close.
Margarito is not as good as Morales. Not even close. In fact Margarito (without wraps) is not as good as Juarez, Tapia, Peden, Ayala also if we are basing his career on the non wraps part. But regardless Morales is better than ANY Margarito.
So why do you act like the Mosley win is so great but talk down the Barrera win?Last edited by chrisJS; 11-15-2017, 05:51 PM.Comment
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I wouldn't say that Ray ducked the Hagler rematch because we don't know what those negotiations were like but that's the perception when it gets discussed. Plus it was kinda odd how he retired then came back once Hagler retired. I've never seen that before or since. I'm still a huge fan, but let's not act like he fought all the greats and left no doubt as some people do. He should've fought Pryor too. Of course there's always people guys could have fought but Pryor is arguably the GOAT at 140lbs and an ATG and he called out Leonard to his face who ignored him.I agree with most of what you said but SSL never ducked rematch with Hagler.Ray loved to play games with his opp esp when he had it in his favor.But one thing that EVEN big SSL fans(which I am one of)and all you Floyd haters(which I'm NOT one of)have to admit is Floyd gave the ONLY 2 guys who even came close to beating him Immediate rematch.I think if you wanna call out SSL for ducking the Hearns rematch is a better example then Hagler(who I don't think he ducked).
As much as people try to pick holes in Floyd's resume I can honestly say he fought all the guys I wanted to see him fight as a fan. De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, Canelo the list goes on and on. The guys people try to mention as opponents he didn't fight are ridiculous. Bumgarito and Amir Khan? Seriously I can't believe anyone would've paid to see Floyd wipe the floor with those guys. Bumgacheato would've been Mayweather-Baldomir 2 and Khan would've ran into punches and got knocked out before we got to see 6 rounds. Mayweather gave us so many great performances. Fans will start to appreciate him more with every year since his retirement. The same thing happened with Ali, people hated him during his career then once it was over they recognized his greatness and showed him love as one of the GOATS. The same thing will happen with Floyd.Last edited by JK1700; 11-15-2017, 05:58 PM.Comment
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