Comments Thread For: Parker Will Face Joshua Next - If Offer Gets "Substantial" Increase

[keith_head]

This is where we will disagree. If we think of it, Joshua is a business model run out of Great Britain, (if he can one day conquer the American market then that is cream on the deal) we can start analyzing how he generates his revenue.

At this point under this model he can sell 75,000 stadium tickets to fight Kubrat ****en Pulev, (let that sink in for a minute) as well as getting hundreds of thousands more eyeballs watching the fight on TV. It won't be long before he can fill Wembley Stadium fighting anyone.

Fighting Wilder or Parker in a unification isn't going to make much of a difference to the majority of fans who buy tickets for the fight or purchase PPV on TV and that is because the bulk of these fans are not strictly speaking boxing fans, (maybe casual fans at best) but instead they are Anthony Joshua fans. It simply doesn't matter who he is facing they will purchase the fight regardless. It brings to mind that famous Tyson quote about how he could sell out MSG just by masturbating.

Sure a unification fight might mean a whole lot to hardcore boxing fans like you and I, but it really won't make much of a difference to the bulk of people that purchase his fights and generate most of the revenue.

I'll give you an example of the type of conversation that would go on between a couple of Joshua fans ahead of a fight:

'I'm really excited for the weekend I purchased the PPV for Joshua's next fight.'

'Cool, who is he fighting?'

'I dunno, I think it is.................' (Insert any name here)

'That Kiwi fighter from New Zealand.'

Or,

'That American dude, I think his name is Deon Wilde.'

Or,

'Some Russian guy who's name I can't pronounce.'

My point being most of Joshua's fans don't even understand unifications, other title holder's, undefeated records etc they only care about watching AJ knock someone out. That's it, period.

Too often we as boxing fans get too caught up in records, straps etc when discussing purse splits as we care about the integrity and history of the sport, but really the only thing we need to think about is who produces the bulk of the revenue, that is it.

To put it to you this way, if we were in business together and you were producing 80% of the profit, how would you feel about giving me 40% of those same profits even if I only contributed 20%??

And specifically to your point about Wilder and Parker fighting and halving AJ's income, Wilder could beat Parker then lose to AJ who could then fight Parker with only the 1 loss on his record to Wilder and still do massive business in both fights. His fans will come out to en masse to watch him fight anyone from Wilder to part-time prison guard.

In that sense the business model of Anthony Joshua has transcended the sport itself in the UK and it's why I do feel anything from an 80/20 to 75/25 split (shoot let Parker keep his NZ PPV sales, LOL) is more than fair.

You're mostly right, but the longer they put off the fights, the more Parker's and Wilder's reputation grows, and if UK casual fans start to hear about Parker and Wilder they will start asking questions.

Moreover, Joshua is going to fight some tough fighters - at or above Takam's level - who won't lie down the way his previous opponents did. This will make the casual fan question his legitimacy. Hell, they're even questioning it now after he damn near won every round.

[b d w]

I'm not a fan of Dave Higgins whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of ignorance, and your initial comment was flat out ****** and uninformed.

If you're going to throw numbers out there, get some sources.

Don't worry mate I have my source and trust me what was being floated out in the media and what was going to be Parker's actual pay for that fight were totally different. That fight was in such bad financial shape with sponsors pulling out plus very very sluggish ticket sales and with what they had to guarantee Hughie ended up with Joseph having to take a MASSIVE pay cut, one that certainly didn't reach it's way to the press. Feel free to believe me or not, it's no skin off my nose.

[b d w]

You're mostly right, but the longer they put off the fights, the more Parker's and Wilder's reputation grows, and if UK casual fans start to hear about Parker and Wilder they will start asking questions.

Moreover, Joshua is going to fight some tough fighters - at or above Takam's level - who won't lie down the way his previous opponents did. This will make the casual fan question his legitimacy. Hell, they're even questioning it now after he damn near won every round.

And if Wilder's or Parker's reputation/profiles grow significantly then fair enough you can start to renegotiate the numbers, but as of right now for me a 75/25 split is fair based on current market value.

See that's the thing about the free market, things change, in 12 months time Joseph Parker might be in a much stronger bargaining position but he might also have lost his title in an upset against Lucas Browne, the fighter who I believe they are chasing the hardest. You just never know..............

[keith_head]

And if Wilder's or Parker's reputation/profiles grow significantly then fair enough you can start to renegotiate the numbers, but as of right now for me a 75/25 split is fair based on current market value.

See that's the thing about the free market, things change, in 12 months time Joseph Parker might be in a much stronger bargaining position but he might also have lost his title in an upset against Lucas Browne, the fighter who I believe they are chasing the hardest. You just never know..............

Meh, at the end of the day I don't really give a crap what they get paid, it's still more than me! I just want to see them fight.

[Sickmerch1990]

Parker was guaranteed $2.4mil minimum after the first purse bid, when the fight was meant to be in NZ.

I doubt that went down to $600k in the UK.

EDIT - You've been soundly demolished by ScottWeiland. Have a nice day.

There were less than 5k in attendence in manchester and the fight was ppv on youtube not a chance he made anywere close to a million so demolished you tool who even speaks like that you blert!!!

[Sickmerch1990]

'Probably' ? Lol.
He was paid £1.2m in escrow before he travelled to the UK and could have pulled out and took the money but fought and won decisively.

Probably not huh ?

no chance he made 1.2m on youtube and no one turned up load of my a ss he made that

[b d w]

Meh, at the end of the day I don't really give a crap what they get paid, it's still more than me! I just want to see them fight.

Trust me dude so do I!! From a boxing fan's perspective it's so frustrating and this whole 'if it makes money then it makes sense' business-first approach is probably the worst part of Floyd Mayweather's legacy as it really has reached epic proportions since he first became a PPV attraction. On the other hand I do understand it from an economic point of view.

[b d w]

There were less than 5k in attendence in manchester and the fight was ppv on youtube not a chance he made anywere close to a million so demolished you tool who even speaks like that you blert!!!

Actually he is right about that amount, he did get paid out by Hennessy for that fight. They gave them a guarantee and as it was Hennessey taking over the staging of that fight if anyone took a loss it was the promoter.

[paulf]

I thought Parker was going to fight Fujimoto in Japan next?

That fight would make bank and Parker would get the lions share.

[b d w]

I thought Parker was going to fight Fujimoto in Japan next?

That fight would make bank and Parker would get the lion'd share.

They couldn't get a good enough guarantee from the Jap promoter, it was getting close to the end of the year, it has been a crappy year for the team so they decided just to wrap it up and call it a day. Kevin Barry is coming back to NZ to run a camp so they at least keep Parker in shape (and off the sauce) so that when he does go into camp next year he won't be so out of shape.