Comments Thread For: Kell Brook Still Mulling 'Weight' Decision, Will Return in 2018

[koolkc107]

He's also younger and didn't yo-yo in weight. Why is this hard to understand?

I also don't care what Brook said after his 6 month camp required to get down to 147, I care more for what he said pre-GGG, that he was operating at 60% BEFORE the yo-yo and not fighting at 147 for 14 months.

You can't seriously argue why a prime guy who has never yo-yo'd makes weight better than a guy who went up and was struggling pre-GGG to get down.

I don't think it was a yo-yo at all for Kell.

I think he simply didn't cut much weight for Gennaddy.

Errol cut the same weight Kell did.

Kell looked as good as he ever has in the ring, but it was clear early on it wasn't going to be enough.

The Brook that Spence beat would have defeated any other elite welter that night, some easily.

I just hope Amir grows a pair and faces him so we can see how great Errol's win really was.

[davef]

I stand by what I said before the fight as much as I wanted Brook to win no excuses Spence was the better man I don't agree that Spence 'beat the **** out of him' it was a fairly close fight by the mid rounds eventually Brook was broken down by the shots and could not keep going great win by Spence

i think him and khan should both take a tune up fight early 2018 and fight each other in the north of england in the summer thats the best money fight for both of them

[thack]

Brook desperately wants to join the busy I knocked out Amir Khan club and he would but little rat Khan has other idea's like calling out retired fighters(lol)....and talking about getting back on top after NEVER being there....total waster.

As for Kell he should listen to the sound advice that his trainer and promoter are telling him forget the little chinny rat he's done .Move up and see if he can do anything in the talented LM division .He would get much more respect getting in the mix there than knocking the shyte out of someone who's just been knocked unconscious and is the joke of boxing both in and out of the ring.

[Vinnykin]

I don't think it was a yo-yo at all for Kell.

I think he simply didn't cut much weight for Gennaddy.

Errol cut the same weight Kell did.

Kell looked as good as he ever has in the ring, but it was clear early on it wasn't going to be enough.

The Brook that Spence beat would have defeated any other elite welter that night, some easily.

I just hope Amir grows a pair and faces him so we can see how great Errol's win really was.

Then you don't know about strength and conditioning obviously. Training to fight at 160, the muscle training alone is different to go from 147 to 160, never mind the diet.

When you fight at 160 your body gets used to the increase in sustenance and your metabolism changes, which is different from constantly doing it 3x per year and being in your prime helps with recovery and being able to retain strength after you rehydrate.

Kell Broo had not gone through this training since Bizier, his metabolism had changed and he was the wrong side of 31 to retain his sharpness and stamina through the fight, despite the body shots.

Now that I have graiced you with some basic knowledge of the human body and training Who wins? 28 year old Brook who had been consistently cutting weight and fighting 3x per year, or 31 year old Brook who had not put his body through the training for over a year and had just had his first defeat and had his face broen by GGG?

Easy, prime Brook wins. The active 147 fighter wins. Your analysis shows a real ignorance of training and cutting weight.

[koolkc107]

Then you don't know about strength and conditioning obviously. Training to fight at 160, the muscle training alone is different to go from 147 to 160, never mind the diet.

When you fight at 160 your body gets used to the increase in sustenance and your metabolism changes, which is different from constantly doing it 3x per year and being in your prime helps with recovery and being able to retain strength after you rehydrate.

Kell Broo had not gone through this training since Bizier, his metabolism had changed and he was the wrong side of 31 to retain his sharpness and stamina through the fight, despite the body shots.

Now that I have graiced you with some basic knowledge of the human body and training Who wins? 28 year old Brook who had been consistently cutting weight and fighting 3x per year, or 31 year old Brook who had not put his body through the training for over a year and had just had his first defeat and had his face broen by GGG?

Easy, prime Brook wins. The active 147 fighter wins. Your analysis shows a real ignorance of training and cutting weight.

I know enough about it to be absolutely sure that doing a one and done where you cut less weight is not "yo-yoing".

I know enough about it to say a person who goes back to cutting weight the same he has basically his whole career isn't going to be a noticeably different fighter simply because one fight he weighed more than normal.

I know that both men are about the same size with Spence actually being a bit larger, and that Errol was inactive ALMOST A MONTH LONGER than Kell.

So miss me with that nonsense about what you "know".

[kafkod]

He needs to move to 154, I have no interest in seeing Brook at 147 again where he lacks stamina.

He had the better of the first 6 rounds against Spence and then slowed down considerably, couldn't take the heat. He's finished at 147.

This shouldn't be a discussion, the guy is ****ing huge right now and will be ineffective after going through another gruelling camp and dehydrating himself again.

Kel looked tremendous against GGG at 160, till his eye socket got broke. I was looking foward to seeing him carry on his career at MW or SWW and it surprised me a lot when he came back so soon to defend his 147 title against Spence.

Clearly, that was a mistake. As you say, he looked like the better man for the first 6 rounds, then gassed dramatically, and I'm sure it was the weight cut that got to him.

When your own team are telling you it's time to move up, you really should listen to them. Kel should have relinquished his WW title and took a whole year off for his face to heal properly.

[kafkod]

I know enough about it to be absolutely sure that doing a one and done where you cut less weight is not "yo-yoing".

I know enough about it to say a person who goes back to cutting weight the same he has basically his whole career isn't going to be a noticeably different fighter simply because one fight he weighed more than normal.

I know that both men are about the same size with Spence actually being a bit larger, and that Errol was inactive ALMOST A MONTH LONGER than Kell.

So miss me with that nonsense about what you "know".

Why do you think it is that almost every fighter you can name who turned pro in his early 20's will have moved up at least one division by the time he hits 30?

Nobody actually grows any bigger after the age of around 21. But in the late 20's the human metabolism starts slowing down. That's why men get pot bellies and women lose their figures in their 30s/40s, even if they are eating and drinking no more than they did in their 20's.

For a fighter it becomes more and more difficult to cut down to a weight limit he could once have made easily without weakening himself in the process.

That's what happened to Kel Brook. And guys like me who have been following his career for years have seen it happening and we know he wouldn't have gassed after 6 rounds against Spence, or anybody else, if the fight had happened a couple of years ago.

[thack]

Mistake number 1 fight Spence at welterweight .Mistake number 2 fight anyone at welterweight!!

[koolkc107]

Why do you think it is that almost every fighter you can name who turned pro in his early 20's will have moved up at least one division by the time he hits 30?

Nobody actually grows any bigger after the age of around 21. But in the late 20's the human metabolism starts slowing down. That's why men get pot bellies and women lose their figures in their 30s/40s, even if they are eating and drinking no more than they did in their 20's.

For a fighter it becomes more and more difficult to cut down to a weight limit he could once have made easily without weakening himself in the process.

That's what happened to Kel Brook. And guys like me who have been following his career for years have seen it happening and we know he wouldn't have gassed after 6 rounds against Spence, or anybody else, if the fight had happened a couple of years ago.

He didn't gas because of a slower metabolism or age.

He gassed because Spence was pounding him downstairs from round 1.

And the same thing would have happened to any fighter who had to absorb that attack no matter what their age.

Kell was in fantastic shape, and if 147 was such a problem he would draw the line about EVER fighting there again, like Cotto did after Pacquiao.

Instead, Kell says "if the opportunity feels right", meaning Khan and any other welter that is a bonanza cash-wise.

Kell is a big welter, but that doesn't mean he does good at jr middle.

And, given what we saw recently out of Charlo and Hurd, and even Lara, I would advise him to stay at 147 if he can still do so safely.

He can beat pretty much anyone but Spence at 147.

He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell against the best 154 lbers.

[McNulty]

He can beat pretty much anyone but Spence at 147.

You out of your dang mind son?

Thurman breaks his brain socket. Horn would blitz Kell. Garcia, Pacquiao, Matthysse all batter that fool back to Yorkshire.

Brook is a quitter who beat ONE SINGLE SOLITARY dude in his life.